Still no deal good day i will take my chances and have a few available options on my side. Money isnt the issue these two are hypos and costed me 500 bucks with shipping 40 bucks a piece. Dont believee check out bigappleherp.com and see there cost. I have receipts and could forward them in a email. Money is a problem right now but have alot lined up if i could get out of this month. Dragons running back and forth in there tanks well dieing i dont think is going to happen. All i need is a fecal done and figure out why they shed but wont grow. I got them to eat a few cut in half supers as thats all i have till tomorrow. Greens turnip dandilion and mustard and discard the spinach. I dust with calcium d3 and vitamins sometimes. No stress marks they are gone. If i had safe dubias because the ones i have had a mold problem. So am leaving them be and see if they live the rest of the week. If i had some of those that would let me know how hungry and better they are. Tomorrow i will chexk out theroachguy.com and see if i can afford what they have. I also have albon on the way and see if that will clear them up and have acidophiliz on hand now after that treatment. I got there temp to 120 and boost the uvb so i think that is getting them better. They are worth the risk because i cant even sell them i care about them so much and doesnt matter to me if there is a better home for them out there. By winter time these guys will be in a mansion when am done.