A GOLDMINE FOR BUYING LIZARDS

[RedInkAus]

They also sell POISON ARROW FROGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(for suicidal people only)LOL

Actually, Poison Arrow frogs are tiny and adorable and we plan to get a few once we've done all the research to care for them properly. They're not dangerous unless you lick them

Poison dart/arrow frogs are only mildly toxic in captivity specially when they are generational CBb as they get their toxins from the prey items they eat in the wild. Take this away you take away the posion.

 

[Amber31190]

um my last post on this, but he does have a liscense for bigger gators, but camains don't need a permto, and to be honest what do we know about beardies in captivity, are the truely happy, the gator eats and has tons of room, disease free, so yea what make any one of us beleve that the "want" to be kept, im hoping mine are, but yea

 

[ChellyBeans]

The mere fact that they allow us to hold them without the need of tape or chance of death is enough to convince me.

We're comparing a bearded dragon to an alligator which is at least 5 feet bigger than a beardie. Good luck wrapping that gator up after bath time for a bonding cuddle without the use of tape to keep it there.

Here are a few tid bits that even Wikipedia can provide for you. I've taken the oppertunity to shine some light on a few major details.

The alligator is notorious for its bone crushing bites. In addition, the alligator has been described as a "living fossil from the age of reptiles, having survived on earth for 200 million years."[1]

An average adult American alligator's weight and length is 800 pounds (360 kg) and 13 feet (4.0 m) long[citation needed], but can grow to 14.5 feet (4.4 m) long and weigh 1,032 pounds (468 kg).[2] According to the Everglades National Park website, the largest alligator ever recorded in Florida was 17 feet 5 inches (5.31 m), although according to the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission web site the Florida state record for length is a 14 feet 5/8 inches (4.28 m) male from Lake Monroe in Seminole County.[3] The largest specimen ever recorded was found in Louisiana and measured 19 feet 2 inches (5.84 m)[4]. The Chinese alligator is smaller, rarely exceeding 7 feet (2.1 m) in length. Alligators have an average of 75 teeth.[citation needed]

The average lifespan for an alligator is 50 years. A specimen named Muja has resided in the Belgrade Zoo in Serbia since 1937, making it at least 71 years old. Another specimen, ?abul?tis, in Riga Zoo, Latvia died in 2007 being more than 75 years old.

Large male alligators are solitary, territorial animals. Smaller alligators can often be found in large numbers in close proximity to each other. The largest of the species (both males and females), will defend prime territory; smaller alligators have a higher tolerance of other alligators within a similar size class. Although alligators have a heavy body and a slow metabolism, they are capable of short bursts of speed, especially in very short lunges. Alligators' main prey is smaller animals that they can kill and eat with a single bite. Alligators may kill larger prey by grabbing it and dragging it into the water to drown. Alligators consume food that could not be eaten in one bite by allowing it to rot or by biting and then spinning or convulsing wildly until bite-size chunks are torn off. This is referred to as a "death roll." A hard-wired response developed over millions of years of evolution, even juvenile alligators execute death rolls when presented with chunks of meat. Critical to the alligator's ability to initiate a death roll, the tail must flex to a significant angle relative to its body. An alligator with an immobilized tail cannot do a death roll.[6]

Most of the muscle in an alligator's jaw is intended for biting and gripping prey. The muscles that close the jaws are exceptionally powerful, however the muscles for opening their jaws are relatively weak in comparison. As a result, an adult man can hold an alligator's jaws shut with his bare hands. In general, a strip of duct tape is enough to prevent an adult alligator from opening its jaws and is one of the most common methods used when alligators are to be captured and/or transported.[7] Alligators are generally timid towards humans and tend to walk or swim away if one approaches. Unfortunately, this has led some people to the practice of approaching alligators and their nests in a way that may provoke the animals into attacking. In the state of Florida, it is illegal to feed wild alligators at any time. If fed, the alligators will eventually lose their fear of humans and will learn to associate humans with food, thereby becoming a greater danger to people.

 

[Amber31190]

not to keep gong but we are talking about a CAMAIN, in alligator family but not amercian, heck im not for owning a 1000 lb dino either

 

[ChellyBeans]

http://www.wildernessclassroom.com/www/schoolhouse/rainforest_library/animal_library/caiman.htm

It is basically the same thing that I posted for the alligator. Nonetheless... it is 7 feet of power too.

Enjoy your digits and limbs... for now...

 

[TheBellyBionic]

so all awful gator comments are only 50% acurite. but this site is umm odd.

Everyone else seems to think we're talking about alligators, but caimans are not better, just smaller.

 

[Amber31190]

cant complain to ya try one lol.. i intend to enjoy them..

 

[isabelleandpaul]

All this talk about that website reminds me of an article I read in National Geographic a few months ago, about the illegal animal trade. I was really shocked about the magnitude of the illegal trade market, especially for reptiles, that I felt so good I own a canadian-bred bearded dragon that has no impact whatsoever on that global illegal trade! I know, bearded dragons started off as wildlife traded off from Australia and being confiscated... that was a while ago.

 

[acwood04]

I found another! http://www.generalexotics.com/ Here you can buy a caiman and get free shipping!! how wonderful! (sarcastically)

 

[Fallencomrade2008]

Rofl, free shipping really! HOMG! :evil:

 

[acwood04]

I sent them an email with questions about buying a gator.... I asked if they just sold them to anyone or if they had screening processes that they used.. This is the reply I just got
"We do ensure that state laws are adhered and that it is legal to own
an alligator in the state that the shipment is going to. Beyond that,
it is hard to determine who should and should not get a gator and we
believe that most are responsible citizens who will do the right
thing. Thanks for your concern."
Read the FAQ part.. They said they wont answer the fone, haha and that you cannot come to their location in Oklahoma. This website should not be ranked on that Faunatopsites page

 

[ColasisKeeper]

looking on the original post for that site though I love the fact that the Alligators are priced at 119.99 and Bearded Dragons are109.99 so for 10.00 more you can go bigger and meaner, no thank you.

 

[RedInkAus]

Is the problem with the whole gator/caiman issue the fact that, people don't think they can take care of them properly?
IF so then if the individual takes care of them properly is it ok to have them???

Is the problem due to their size???
Well if the individual has enough space to keep them them whats the problem???

Is the problem because people think they should not be kept as pet because they are potentially dangerous???
The same could be said for large monitors or snakes as well as "vens", should we tell people not to keep them either???

Is the problem because people belive they are wild creatures and should belong in the wild???
Should i start criticising all of you for owning BDs as I am an Australian and BDs belong in the wild????

Whats the real problem if someone wants to keep a gator/caiman, has the space, providing it proper care, has it locked securely in a basement where it can't get out?

What's the problem with a petshop selling them for the price they want??
If you have a problem with the price, don't buy it, it should be that simple?? If you don't want petshops selling crocadillians then that's your problem no one is forcing them on you. You do know there are people out there that have a problem with the whole reptile trade all together (hr 699/PETA) how are you going to fight them off when you can't even agree with one another?? (Yes they have a problem with you owning a BD or a ball or a burm)

 

[spyder79]

To everyone in this thread. Its no different owning a caimon or alligator than owning a Croc monitor or any other big varanid. If you are appropriately setup to take care of a alligator or caimon more power to ya. And to the comment I read earlier about animals that eat humans, anacondas do not seek out and eat people in the wild. In fact they avoid human contact. So do retics and burms. so that was a gross overstatement. Do I think joe schmoe off the street should be allowed to purchase a gator, caimon, or croc? No, but its not my decision to make. And the perfect point was brought up. If they ban completely to right to own animals classified under the crocodile or alligator species, whos to say they wont ban large "dangerous" varanids, like the black throat/white throat monitor, croc monitor, asian water monitor, and so on and so on.

As to proper housing. Another great point was made. YOu have no idea if your bearded dragon is truly happy with its home or if it has just come to terms with its existance. So you have no way to know that if all of a gator or crocs needs are met in that basement setup, that it is or is not happy. If its healthy and alive thats enough for me.

So before you start screaming "you shouldnt be allowed to own one" sit back and realize that our rights to own any reptile are slowly being chipped away, currently its the big 9 constrictors but soon they will move over to other exotic reptiles and eventually we will all lose our right to own and/or produce reptiles of any kind.

 

[Amber31190]

to the last coulple posters thank, you i was start to feel alone, my boyfrined soon to be husband was thinking of getting the smallest camain avalible in the trade. but if you read above were morans, we also have a sav that is pretty wild, and WE DO care and will see they get the best care.