Oola (vet visit 9/18)

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OwnedByOola

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Momswims1":2eo9zagu said:
Do you mind if I set the picture of that cutie sitting like that as my desktop? That is just the funniest thing. I just want to make sure it is OK with you. I LOVE that picture!
Haha you sure can! I don't mind at all, and I'm glad you got a laugh out of it. :)

scm133":2eo9zagu said:
OMG!!! Just found your updated picture. She has grown a lot, and is beautiful!!! My Hugo turned 6 months, and is 400 grams. I guess our babies are truly growing up!! :D
Yep they grow up SO fast!! Sometimes I see her kid pictures and wonder how I even had a beardie that small.

Momswims1":2eo9zagu said:
Oh wow! What an incredibly adorable little baby! What a pretty face and I love the tail. Congratulations. Oola is amazing! I bet she totally holds your heartstrings.
Aw thanks. She was indeed a really cute baby.

idcouple":2eo9zagu said:
The snuggly video is awesome! I love it when she closes her eyes
Hehe me too. Thanks!

tgolden":2eo9zagu said:
My dogs are scared of my dragon. He puffs out and they run and hide lol
Yeah, thankfully my dogs are really respectful of my other critters. They keep their distance.

BeardieMommy3991":2eo9zagu said:
Your Oola is simply GEORGEOUS! Her coloring is spectacular, and her sidebars are magnificent! :) Such a healthy and BIG girl! And I love her viv too! <3

Btw, I can't beleive no one else has made this reference...

Oola la!

Thanks!! I'll have to remember the Oolala reference :) that's clever!
 

OwnedByOola

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I deleted my previous post, regarding a 6 foot vivarium that I had bought and was going to set up for Oola.

There's a good possibility that I'm moving to another state in December. I might even be moving to the total opposite side of the country, if I can get the job I'm currently applying for! In which case, I'm going to sell the 6-foot viv along with just about all my other furniture. I've been looking up rental truck costs for moving long-distance. Holy wow, they're expensive. I calculated that if I sell all of my furniture and home goods, and move only with what fits in my SUV (basically me, my dogs, essentials, and my 3 reptiles in travel enclosures), I will save about $10,000 total. So I don't want to spend money setting up an elaborate new viv if I'm just going to have to sell it in a few months. Rest assured Oola will go wherever I go! :)

Speaking of Oola0, she is still brumating. This is all I see of her lately! :(

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OwnedByOola

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Oola came out of brumation around 9/1, and she just hasn't been herself since so I took her to a reptile specialist for evaluation. I am a vet but I am by no means a reptile specialist, so I knew we needed someone who knows their stuff. :)

The recent issues with Oola: For one thing, her appetite has been decreased, and she has consistently been having trouble defecating (even though I've checked her temperatures, diet, husbandry over and over and over again). Every time she goes, the urates are large, rock hard, and there's a drop of blood at the end from straining. To make things worse, she's developed hindlimb paresis (weakness). So away we went.

He took radiographs (I'll post them here when I can figure out how to convert the file). I was pleased to see that her bone density, joints, and anatomy all look NORMAL. I've always been concerned about Oola because she tends to fold at the wrists when you set her down. Fortunately, there were no signs of MBD or other skeletal abnormality on rads.

Also, whatever impaction she had has since passed. Her GI tract looked normal as well.

Diagnosis so far from rads: um... extremely large fat pads. Oola's going on a diet. :)

So we're just waiting on blood results, which will return tomorrow. Despite bathing Oola for 30 minutes every day, she's still prone to fecal impaction, and with the hard urates I'm concerned about her kidney function. I'm anxious to see how her bloodwork comes back.

On the upside, Oola was an absolute angel for her entire visit. She's such a good girl. I almost get a tear in my eye when I talk about her, because I'm so lucky to have this dragon. :) Best beardie ever.
 

lillylizard

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I really hope things go well. Just a question i know how you take blood from a dog or cat because i was a vet co-op with my school so i helped alot. (do not like rabbits. Told me f i hold him to tight his heart could explode.) but how do you take blood from a lizard? From the neck? Or back leg????
 

OwnedByOola

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Venipuncture location depends on the species of lizard, but for beardies you draw from a tail vein. The access point is right on the midline of the underside of the tail.

I haven't gotten word on her bloodwork yet. Fingers crossed that everything's ok!
 

lillylizard

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That would drive me crazy waiting. I was pacing when i was waitin to find out if Elyott had paraistes or not. I so hope things are good
 

OwnedByOola

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Thank you, lillylizard! I hope so too. Oola has gotten more and more active every day. It was her first brumation-- I wonder if it takes them a while to get their metabolism back up to normal? She's now downing her greens every day. As for her impaction/hind limb weakness issue, I hope we are on the mend from that too. I am in the process of switching up her tank somewhat, to accomodate for her limited mobility. She moves a lot better on carpet around the house than on her tile, so I'm going to get either repticarpet or a bath mat for her tank to help with traction. She still poos outside of the cage in her bath, so I don't have to worry about her making a mess.

I got a friend to convert the radiographs to jpg so I'll post them shortly. :)
 

OwnedByOola

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All right, I modified Oola's viv to help with her hind limb weakness. Outside of the cage, she's able to run almost normally on carpet, so I wanted to give her more traction in the cage. I flipped the smooth stone tiles in her viv upside down, to have the porous, rougher side exposed. I covered that with a fabric mat I got from Walmart. Since she poops in the bath, I don't have to worry about this getting messed.

I think it looks pretty good, but more importantly it's more appropriate for her.

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Here are Oola's radiographs. She's, um.... large.
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And here she is, out and about!
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scm133

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I hope she will be getting better, soon. The x-rays are so cool!!!

So, what does the vet think about the hind leg weakness? Or is he waiting for blood work to give you more insight? How old is she now and her weight and length? If it is weight related, then I also need to be watching Hugo. He keeps putting on the weight. :cry:

I think you have set up a great viv! A little more traction will definitely help those legs.
 

OwnedByOola

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Oola has a history of having problems defecating, and that's a definite cause for hindlimb weakness. If poop forms a hard mass in the abdomen, it can put pressure on the spinal nerves the nerves coming off of the spine to the hind limbs. She's had a several-month history of straining really hard with pooping. Her first poop after coming out of brumation was terrible. Even though I bathed her weekly during brumation, the poop was still huge and very dry. The urate portion was over an inch long, rock hard, and very chalky. This happens a lot with her. She strained pretty hard to get it out and there was a drop of blood at the end of it. I was worried about prolapse, but luckily that never happened. So I was definitely worried that she damaged nerves when, after the poop, her hindlimbs went rigid and she had trouble moving them. It was from that point on that I saw the hindlimb weakness. When she walked, especially on smoother surfaces, she used primarily her front limbs to propel herself forward. She sort of swung the back half of her body to move along, with her hindlimbs not really doing much work.

So what has caused the repeated impactions? Not sure... The vet explained that MBD can make some reptiles prone to impaction because during growth they may develop a malformed pelvis, or their vertebrae may not form correctly and there will be pressure on the spinal cord. Just imagine trying to push poop or eggs through a too-small pelvic canal. Ouch! I had always been afraid of MBD because Oola does this really weird thing. When you handle her, she goes limp. When you set her down, she'll sit with her feet folded over at the wrists. It's like she has no concept of where her limbs are placed. She sort of looks crumpled when that happens. Sometimes when other beardie owners handle her, they ask what's wrong with her. But Oola's radiographs looked great. No evidence of MBD there, and her pelvis and spine look great. Dr. H explained that this really might be a personality/behavior thing for her. She's super sweet, super passive. She will literally let you do anything. And she's like a ragdoll when handled.

We're still waiting on bloodwork to make sure calcium levels are ok. Despite the fact that her rads looked good, who knows.... there's still a chance of hypocalcemia. And calcium levels are definitely important for proper muscle movement, so if she's having trouble moving her limbs then it could be a cause. I'm more concerned about the chronic hard urates. She gets daily baths right now, but her urates are still dry and chalky-- usually a sign of either too much calcium or dehydration. So confused about that! Also the bloodwork will help describe her kidney function. Is she losing water with chronic renal failure? I don't know.

The *good* news is that Oola is looking better every day. When she moves on carpet or rougher surfaces, she looks just about normal. MAN, can that beardie move!!! So every day she gets a 30-minute bath where I move her legs to keep them mobile, and she gets a couple hours of "physical therapy" out of her cage every day where she can run around on the carpet. I think she's really on the mend. But I want to get to the bottom of why she's having these hard urates and therefore having trouble defecating. I don't want repeated impactions like she's had!!

Edit: About her being overweight, the vet doesn't think that's the cause for her neuro issue. She just incidentally happens to be overweight. She is 14 months old, 21" and weighs 530 grams. She only lost 15 grams during brumation but quickly gained that back. He suggested offering feeders every other day rather than every day, and that will likely bring her back to a good weight. I'm going to now try to feed just roaches and eliminate superworms which are more fatty.
 

scm133

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Well, it sounds like she is in good hands. She is such a pretty, sweet girl. She is one of my favorite dragons on this forum. Do keep posting her progress. :D
 
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