Reptaid Discussion

[spyder79]

How do you know I haven't used it? You are assuming and assuming is a BAD thing to do with strangers

Specifically because you stated you have not used it in the original post of this. That you had experience with one part of Reptaid and that you would not use it until your question on how much of said substance was in it. I am not the one being argumenative and rude and talking out my rear. its you. Go back and read each statement you have made about Reptaid. If you do you will note that all of your comments are dont use it cause of this the distributor is wrong because of this. You smelled reptaid and felt that it had extremely high amounts of PauDarco but you have no proof as you arent a chemist and you havent had it broken down or analyzed so why argue a point that you dont know nor can you prove. My main issue and only issue with you is that you are basing your argument off of on PART of the formula. There are numerous other pieces to the puzzle yet you refuse to note that. You have no idea, as i have said before, if the ingredients when mixed together in reptaid completely change the effects of the above mentioned herbal anti-biotic. You need to change the way you are making your statements as they make you look argumenative and slightly moronic for fighting a cause that you dont have all the information on. Your point on what you think has been made but why do you feel the need to continue trying to push this line of thinking onto others when you really dont know and are only pulling answers out of your rear end.
Thanks
Have a great day
And im quite finished arguing with you as it will not help you open your eyes. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

 

[vickson420]

OK everyone just STOP!This is supposed to be a discussion to further evaluate the pros and cons of this particular topic.I will not tolerate anyone spinning it off into a thread war and bashing members because of their opinions on the product.If it continues I will lock and remove the thread as well as make sure the next offense gets a warning issues.Clear?

Now a few things I want to point out here.Pscaulkins has every right to be cautious of the product and yes even to demand more information even if she cant get it as that is exactly what an educated consumer would and should do.Also the reason why Pau D'Arco keeps coming up is simple,it is the only herb within the product that has the capability of doing the things the product claims to do and also the one that has been attributed to severe side effects in both human and animal alike.We are all trying to determine not only the validity but the safety of this product.That was the point from the beginning of this thread,right?

Also I will admit that it seems to have remedial effects and is in fact useful in some ailing animals.As you can see there have been positive effects and I dont think anyone should dispute that at all.I personally just want to be sure that the positives remain that way and this doesnt cause future issues down the line.Here is my feelings on it to date.
I still believe it should not be used in healthy animals for no reason as it will diminish the potency when the animal needs it to treat an ACTUAL ailment otherwise good husbandry should be enough..
I think it is playing russian roulette to give this to any gravid or mating female as it clearly has caused issues in testing even if not in reptiles.Also we have no idea how this may later effect the hatchling.It just is not worth it.
I think there is a practical place for this in the medicine cabinet and can possibly be used to treat herps where vet care is not available or affordable.
I dont think this should replace vet care in any way.
I do still have concern on what it may do to organ life span and complications in the future and for this only time will tell.

 

[ChamNW]

Vicky
I appreciate all of the concerns. But I want to add that we have countless clutches of chameleons whose parents were treated with Reptaid. We have had to treat a gravid female at times especially for a URI which came along while she was gravid. There was absolutley no ill effect to the mom, the eggs or the hatchlings. And those hatchlings have grown up to become healthy adult chameleons themselves.

Although I do understand and appreciate the concern about giving Reptaid to what seems to be a healthy reptile, I have had so many reports from people who treated their animal only to find out that something in the Reptaid is exactly what they needed. Now their colors are more vibrant, their activitiy levels are greater, they shed better, on and on. Did they Reptaid do something good for them? I do think so.

We don't give all our animals reptaid just to give it to them. We have WAY too many animals for that. But we do use it for any kind of ailment, infection, or parasite, and always with the same consistant positive results.

 

[vickson420]

Elliot I am confused?The first line of the instruction manual clearly states not for use on gravid reptiles?
I am not saying that it may not assist a healthy animal in some way but I still think if used constantly the animal will build a resistance to it.That is my main concern on using it in a healthy animal.

 

[ChamNW]

Vicky
Yes you are correct, Amber cautions about use on gravid females. But on numerous occasions both in our facility and in those breeders who use Repaid around the country, we had a very sick gravid female. So the choice is do we let her die from a URI because there is a caution about using Reptaid on a gravid female. Or do we save the life of the mother and not worry about the eggs so much. The choice is always to save the mother. And in doing so, there has never been any detrimental effect on the eggs, or the hatchlings.

As for continual use of any medication or supplement I agree with you. It is not advisable and we dont advocate or suggest that to anyone. There are people who use Reptaid like once a month for a couple of days on healthy animals, and I am thinking of people on this forum.

When people call me to ask about either of these issues, these are the exact answers I give them.

 

[vickson420]

Elliot I here you but there is a reason why it isnt recommended for gravid females otherwise the maker wouldnt have directed that specifically and maybe 9 out of 10 times maybe it will be fine but that 10th time when you hatch a clutch of babies that die a week later or develop organ issues later in life make it not worth the risk.The mother's life is more important and myself personally I would go with the standard protocal of treatment using traditional meds but either which way I would freeze the eggs.We have a major problem already with weak genes here in the states due to all the inbreeding so I wouldnt take the risk no matter how small in possibly adding to the problem.Dont take offense to any of this I am just being honest in how I feel.

 

[ChamNW]

Vicky
I don't take offense at anything you say. As I said, I appreciate the concern. But I am not speaking from thoughts or ideas or maybes. I am speaking from experience, and lots of it. We are quite aware of the weak gene pools that exist in reptile species. One thing that we have seen is one breeder of chameleons (who is no longer in the business) would help every baby out of its egg as soon as it pipped. But we had learned that if a baby could not get out of its egg after it pipps, then it is not fit to live. So basically in our years of experience if a hatching baby cannot get out of its shell, then we don't help it. But that brings me to another thought which I would like to share.

Since we have been using Reptaid we have noticed that we have very healthy eggs. The greatest majority of the eggs are viable when laid. And then we get almost 100% of the eggs hatching, without any help from us. And then we have almost 100% survival rate of every hatchling. I realize that habitat, food source, hydration, etc all play a part in sucessful reptile breeding but in our experience we have seen a real improvement all the way around with the use of Reptaid.

 

[ChamNW]

I want share this testimonial from the lady in Wisconsin with a bearded dragon named Brandy. I am quoting what she wrote to me in a letter:

"Thanks for Quickly mailing me the Reptaid for my 4 mo bearded dragon. Brandy was near death wouldn't even lift her head in the sunlight. Her colors had turned dark, her lower jaw bruised from hte constant force feeding. She looked like death. She dropped to 24 grams. We started the reptaid and after two doses she started to eat on her own. Its been over a week now and she acting completely normal, running laps and glass dancing. She is eating like a pig! today she is 44 grams!
I truly believe Brandy would have been dead if not for the Reptaid.
Thank you from me and Brandy! "

 

[HYPORollo]

ok now that i have some time ill post my experince with reptaid i was a huge skeptic about this stuff but having a sick rescue i took the chance and it helped mamma out with her uri i did a ten day treatment like elliot said and after ten days her caughing and uri cleared up i gave a few days break and then did another 3 days just to make sure after i noticed mamma eating a whole lot more and she went into shed when she was done shedding i saw oranges that were not there before and she got a lot brighter as well so i decided to try it out on my other dragons and after the 3 day treatment i noticed the same thing they all started eating like crazy and growing fast all my dragons started shedding soon after i did the treatment now i dont know if anyone else had the same thing happen but its great stuff all my dragons are all full of life mamma is as healthy as can be and im glad i gave it a try and to tell you the truth after seeing what it did for my animals i started telling my costumers about it and they started ordering bottles from me so now i also have reptaid for sale to all my costumers and i have recieved nothing but good news about all the animals that are on it and i recomend reptaid to anyone who has reptile to use reptaid i tell anyone that buys an animal from me or feeders about it because of what i have seen with my own animals i think its a great product to have on hand with any reptile thank you elliot for everything you have done your a great man

 

[ez2bbad64]

i had fecals done on my girls who had coccidea. they were treated with one round of albon the vet said they would have to have two but one of the girls brandy got deathly ill and i didint want to take the chance with the 2nd round so i treated both girls with the reptaid and had fecals done and both girls are now clear!



thank you elliot for the reptaid!

 

[ChamNW]

Thank you EZ2 and Rollo for the wondeful testimonials. Once again Reptaid's reputation speaks for itself!

 

[beardieluv]

i would love to order some but it's going to be about 30 bucks plus 10 for shipping! i was gonna order some but i can't afford that. my mom has been laid off for almost a year and i'm in high school and nursing school at the same time. i just spent 130 bucks at the vet including the panacur and albon. he just started today and i know he will need something to boost him back up. does anyone know where to get it cheaper or if there is going to be a sale coming up? or if anyone even has an extra lying around and would be welling to sell it? thanks.

 

[blondie098]

I'll pipe in here too -- I have used the XL on my larger adults (we start treating rescues when they come in to combat parasites while they settle in). We just took in a li'l guy the day before Thanksgiving, and I ordered the regular Reptaid -- It was shipped out Friday, and I just received it today (From west coast to OH fast!)

I just gave Quasi his first dose, and he loved it. Crash will chase me for more, too, because he loves the taste. I have no qualms about starting Quasi on it as a test here, because we have given it to our other 3 with nothing but good results. We have to wait for our trusted vet to get us in, and Quasi has a URI (at least highly highly suspected, he's got snot plugs I've softened & gently removed, and sometimes he blows snot bubbles and is mouth breathing a lot) -- so even tho he's had his husbandry corrected for 4 days now, we are adding the Reptaid. I will let you know how quickly he clears up. Of course, yes, he will still see his doc.

He is a good eater, but we already know he has MBD, misaligned jaw, scoliosis, possible URI & is malnourished. His tummy is so shrunk, he eats many many small meals whenever he's hungry. He weighed in at 96 grams / 12 inches Thanksgiving day.

So, Elliott, my biggest question is this -- He's got MBD, and we want to administer liquid calcium to boost his levels and basically not let the MBD progress any further. Any contraindications you know of with Reptaid & Gluco's? The only warning I saw in the pamphlet was with Reptaid / Baytril administered together?

Thanks,
Dawn, Carl, Crash, Xena, Psycho & Quasimoto

 

[ChamNW]

We have use Reptaid with liquid calcium on a rescue similar to yours. No conflict at all. And of course the mbd cannot be reversed but certainly can be stopped. We had one chameleon who was so crippled his back was like an "S" curve. And he always had to be hand fed but we was a very sweeet animal and it seemed that he appreciated the extra care we gave him. But that was a long time ago now. The Reptaid will definitely knock out that URI in the dragon, probably in only 3 or 4 days. It seems hard to believe until you've seen it for yourself!

 

[blondie098]

Thanks Elliott, if you search "Quasimoto" you'll see pics of our little new one, he has the S curve, and a hunchback spot in the midst of his spine, too. We just want to make him as healthy as he can be, we know he'll always look mangled for life.

He still had a few bubbles today, but we're at first dose. I'll keep you posted.