Discoids vs Dubai

[cyberdrone]

First.. I am in Florida.
What are the differences in the two roaches' nutritional value and how do they differ in breeding to start and maintain a colony?

If anyone in FL is willing to sell either, please let me know.

 

[Theroachguy]

not sure on the nutritional value but i know form doing it myself they are a little harder to get going after that they are pretty good. also they have a pretty good smell to them when disturbed for a heads up. not to strong but they will put a sent out.

 

[DragonMomSandy]

This may help, it's a list I compiled of feeder nutrition. I don't have the #s yet on the discoids, but they should be in a similar range to the dubias and Turks.

Here's a list of nutritional content:

Insect: (M) moisture, (P)protein, (F)fat

Dubia roaches: (M) 61%, (P) 36%, (F) 7%

Turkistan roaches: (M) 64%, (P) 37%, (F) 5.5%

Lobster and Discoid roaches are in the same range as the dubia and turks.

As far as raising Discoids, someone else may be able to help. I have a dubia colony that is really booming and have been really pretty easy to get started. Much of my info comes from some great people here on the forum. Get in touch with any of them, check out the websites of the roach vendors too:

www.theroachguy.com
www.theroachranch.com
www.afexotics.weebly.com
or check out this thread: viewtopic.php?f=76&t=116814
Lance (Twobeardieguy) has a lot of good info and pics on this thread.

Good luck on whichever type you choose! Roaches are really the way to go!

 

[HumorDragon]

Hey! I live in Florida too.
I have been doing research on roaches as feeders and shipping. Cyberdrone I have learned that Dubia are illgeal to own and breed in Florida. But the good thing is Discoids are legal here, you just have to look for good priced dealers that do ship here. (Thats the hard part.)
NYworms Apears to ship here (They dont say that they dont. lol) And Aaron Pauling (On this site) also ships here that I'm aware of.

 

[Ihaggerty1313]

The whole Florida issue comes down to a bunch of BS. Unfortunately as a business we have to provide the disclaimers on our sites just to keep the feds off our backs. But those laws down in Florida are about as enforced as the mighty Blue Laws up here in New England. Which basically means that there are A LOT of people in Florida w/ all sorts of feeder roach colonies especially w/ the Florida wildlife commission based in Tallahassee and rarely traveling out side that county (Florida's pretty big you know! LOL!). I mean it's perfectly legal to own and breed Cobras in Florida w/ the correct permits. But obviously Blaptica Dubia are much more dangerous than a cobra to Florida legislature. Not to mention all the boats that come into various ports around Florida w/ non native species aboard. Just saying!

It's amazing that they don't have a problem w/ Discoids which are basically a SUPER close cousin of Dubia and are found in many of the same forests and habitats that Dubia are found in the wild. BTW virtually the only difference between Dubia and Discoids is the fact that Discoids aren't sexually dimorphic. The mature Males and Females look exactly the same. You'll have to grab them and flip them over to see what you have when they make their final molt. And as Jason mentioned they have a bit of an odor when disturbed. Nothing horrible though like Orange Heads or anything.

 

[DragonMomSandy]

Since you can't get the dubia in FLA, the discoids would be a good, healthy choice! Feeder roaches are SO much more nutritious than crickets!

And Ian, gee, I didn't realize FLA considered the dubia so much more dangerous than a cobra!!!! :shock: Govt officials=id1ots! Go figure!!!! :lol:

 

[Twobeardieguy]

I could not have said that any better! Govt officials=id1ots :wink:

 

[DragonMomSandy]

And I was being nice! :lol:

 

[Ihaggerty1313]

No Sandy be mean LOL! They need a good reality slap!

 

[DragonMomSandy]

Ian, I would agree! But I'd hate to offend anyone on the site! :lol:

 

[moose9]

Good statement Ian, agree totally. I have both B. dubia and discoids. Yes discoids will let you know if your disturbing them, not bad though as mentioned earlier. The only differences I have seen between the two is discoids are larger, meatier, more shell when molting, need higher humidity then B. dubia for molting. Slower to breed, but once established, take off good. Discoids don't tolerate being disturbed at all in my experience. B. dubia seem easier to handle and work with.