Xena threw a bloodclot, caused necrotic tail

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blondie098

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Retained shed can be serious. One of our mods went thru an ordeal with her Ming, and her story has inspired me to post our story now. Our ordeal was not quite retained shed, it was instead a bloodclot in the tail.

Xena, our 5-year-old girl, has had some retained shed on the end of her tail for a little while. We've been working on it and the shed was splitting, just not coming off. We bathe regularly, using the toothbrush during baths. It's been conditioned with olive oil. No sharp stuff in her viv. Yesterday about 3 p.m. our daughter came running to us, said we needed to see Xena's tail. The last 2.25 inches of her tail had withered up and was like a twig. We checked her viv, nothing that could have caught it and injured it. We monited her and the tail all day and all night...

So off to the vet we go this a.m. (we have a great specialist in our area), after scouring research yesterday confirmed our suspicions that her tail had infact withered and died. He said she threw a clot, which cut off the circulation. It happened very fast, it was not like that the night before at bathtime, nor was it like that at wake-up/morning feeding.

Apparently, the bloodclot was thrown, and dragons don't have great circulation in the ends of their tails anyway, so it was a big deal for her, and deadened the last 2+ inches. Needless to say, she had to have 2.5 inches amputated this morning. It hurts my heart to see her booboo tail right now, but I'd rather have her tailless than not have her at all.

They are sending the tissue for lab tests / specimen growth -- so it could be anywhere from 3-7 days before we hear back, as our vet said that if she does have an infection brewing, it should be slow-growing. He gave her a long-lasting antibiotic shot, so we don't have to dose her daily.

And it doesn't help that she is forming eggs, too -- so we've got other issues going on on top of this, I've definitely earned a few new gray hairs.

They did an ultrasound on her, which showed better what was going on in her tummy/oviducts ... she's been having issues lately, most recently a near prolapse which scared the crud outta us. She would totally inflate herself and roll on her belly to poo, it looked like Fat Albert tipped over ... I know, weird visual, but good analogy.

Well, some eggs are still forming higher up, but some have started to drop... she's not interested in digging at all, and with the fresh amputation, it'll be a little tricky on timing.

We got the images on a CD, but they are thru eFilmLT program, and we're still trying to access them, we'll post them when we can access them.

I know vet appointments are expensive, but when some fluke like this happens, find a way to see a herp vet. Trust me, we just dropped $400 today for ultrasound, appt, amputation, and Critical Care (to have on hand, because she's making infertiles). While that $$ hurts, it would be a lot more painful if we lost our Xena because we didn't act.
 

gulfbrzdawn

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Oh Dawn, I am so sorry to hear about Xena's tail :( As if she hasn't been through enough lately.. poor girl!
I will pray that the antibiotics take care of any infection that might still be there.
Did they bandage her little tail up?
I understand expensive vet bills, but as you said, it is well worth it in the end.
I will keep you and Xena in my thoughts. Take care of that little girl.
 

blondie098

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Yes, they bandaged her booboo tail up, she keeps giving the end of her tail the evil eye, like something green is following her. She is now getting chocolate beards, I think she's in pain, and I cannot do anything about it, which hurts my heart.

Here she is right after the amputation, she looked like "Mom, Dad, Save me from that crazy guy!"
xena091310-1.jpg

and here's her booboo tail for the next 48 hours: doc wants the bandage to stay on 24-48 hours, he applied some type of artificial skin over the wound, so if the bandage falls off, that should protect it...
xena091310-2.jpg


And we figured out the ultrasound software, it wasn't compatible with Vista, so we loaded it on our older XP OS and we got the images! If you've never seen an ultrasound (you guys out there), the roundish blobs are her eggs, she is full of them, all in various stages of formation:
xenaeggs1.jpg

xenaeggs2.jpg

xenaeggs3.jpg

xenaeggs4.jpg
 

PuffyLuv123

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Sorry about Xena's tail!

:shock: I've never seen a beardie ultrasound before! Cute! :blob8: :blob5: :blob8:


Hope she has a fast recovery!
 

RolandKyramere

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Sorry to hear the story about Xena's tail, my first beardie had a piece of retained shed that gave her a nib on the end of her tail, but never caused any damage like that!
Best wishes to Xena for a swift recovery!
 

blondie098

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Here is what the tail looked like yesterday when this all happened -- so if you see this, SEE A VET ASAP! Her tail looks "wet" because its coated with olive oil in these pics:
xenatail091210-1.jpg

Here's a closer up version...
xenatail091210-2.jpg
 

fresnowitte

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Hugs & Snuggles my skinned and scaly friends.
Poor baby...I'm so sorry you are having to experience this Dawn and Xena.
How are the kids and hubby taking it?

Have you yet summoned Tracie to this thread?

Is Xena getting anything for pain?
 

blondie098

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Barbara, the vet didn't give anything for pain -- I've sent Tracie a PM on it. She seemed to be able to get comfy enough to get a little sleep, but she was up and down a few times... I'm hoping a couple naps today for me and hubby will catch us up too :)
 

Drache613

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Hello Dawn,

Oh ouch, poor Xena! I am sorry that happened to her, but, like you said, at least you acted quickly. Otherwise it would be much worse than it is now.
Which antibiotic shot was she given, did the vet say the name of the medication? At least you don't have to give her one daily though, that is less stress on you both.
Wow, she is developing eggs too, on top of this mess! I hope that she doesn't have any problems with those infertiles, either.
She isn't on any pain medication at all, that seems a bit strange that they wouldn't have given her a little something, metcam or something. Is her beard a constant black or just intermittently?
Is she eating? Does she like the critical care?
Have you put a nice soft towel down on the entire bottom of her tank, so that there is nothing rough or hard in her tank that she could knock it on? You could also lower her basking spot also, so she doesn't have to climb up to bask right now until she heals up a little bit.

Tracie
 

blondie098

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Hi Tracie, she has intermittent darkness, like maybe she's getting pangs of pain (like when I broke my toe, I got hot shooting pain thru the bone here and there)... I can't help but think its pain, because she goes to happy colors, then all of a sudden its a dark chocolate beard (she's an orange beard dragon) and black shoulderbars, and dark sidebars 1/2 way down her back. Lasts about 1/2 hour, then happy colors again.

My invoice says "injection fee" and doesn't list the med, nor dosage. I trust this guy totally, you've possibly heard of him, he's very well known because he's very into conservation, zoology and animals. He's been in practice for like 30 years, because he used to take care of my exotic birds when I was in high school. He is the local zoo exotics vet, too. So, I trust him, he is always very caring with everyone of my babies, too, from birds to reps.

I can email the office and find out tho...

He said to hold off and see if she eats, and save the CC 'til she lays, if she refuses to eat then, I'll have it on hand (and with 4 dragons, that's not a bad idea anyway)... She ate a little today, wasn't real interested, but poor baby was hungry -- of course she only ate when it was hand-fed... no such thing as spoiled at the moment! I understand CC keeps well in the fridge in its pouch? So, haven't given CC yet, actually he suggested 75% Critical Care with 25% Carnivore Care if she's wiped after she lays. Opinion? Sounds reasonable to me, as they need the protein?

So is there any ayurvedic remedy that will make her feel better / lessen pain? We've stripped her cage of all furniture, remember I make the specialty blankies, so she's got LOTS of blankies, even rolled some up for "basking" areas... she only has her big rock, because she totally pouts when we take that out for cleaning, I left that for comfort for now. But she is being very careful with her tail, she's bonked it against the side of the tank a few times, and she gets real upset.

Hey, do they put out diff pheramones when gravid? Crash and Psycho are going ballistic, you'd think it was spring. Do they maybe sense that she's making eggs, even tho they're infertile? Man, they're both bonkers all of a sudden.
 

blondie098

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Doc suggested we take bandage off at 48-hour mark... that's tomorrow a.m., and I'm nervous. Is it too soon? He put some type of artificial "skin" under the green bandage, will that be enough to protect it? I'll be interesting if she'll hold still for the unveiling... she doesn't want anyone near her backside right now.
 

fresnowitte

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Hi Dawn!
How is Xena doing today? Less of a chocolate beard I hope. Sorry I have no idea about the length of time the bandage should be left on or whether or not you should wrap it back up after checking on it. Sorry...maybe Tracie will pop in and answer that for you. But I do think it's odd that no pain meds were prescribed. Poor baby! :(
 

Denise Bushnell (RIP)

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Dawn,

I'm very glad to hear that Xena has had her surgery, and that all went well, with no complications, thus far!

I did receive your Private Message on September 12th, and I did send you a return Private Message (at 4:00 in the morning on the 13th). When I hit the "Submit Button" after I'd finished, it did say that my message had been sent. However, right after that, I got a flash across the top of my screen, saying that the forum was offline, so I had no idea whether you had received it or not, and I haven't been on the forum for a couple of days due to not feeling well. We were moving to another floor at work, and I put my back out lugging boxes, so I was confined to bed for a couple of days, but I'm feeling much better now!

If Xena is turning all sorts of dark colors, periodically, then obviously she must be having quite a bit of pain, at times. I don't know why your vet didn't send something home with you to give her for the pain, unless it has something to do with her carrying infertile eggs, and it might inhibit her abilily to lay them. Dr. Horn sent Ming home with a 2 week supply of Metacam for pain, however his surgery was much more extensive, as , in his last surgery, he lost all by 3-1/2 inches of his tail. If the black beard and dark colors continue, I would definitely check with her vet, by phone, to see if something for pain can be prescribed for her. There is no point in letting her continue to be in pain from this, unless there is a medical reason why a pain medication can't be prescribed!

It is best that the bandage be removed in 48 hours, as the wound will heal much more quickly that way, if the air can get at it, and you can keep a closer eye on it to make sure that there is no infection, but be sure to keep a very close eye on her to make sure that she 's
leaving it alone, once the bandage is taken off. Ming was very good with his for the first few days, but then mutilated his tail beyond redemption a couple of weeks later, which resulted in his having to have another surgery.

If you do have a problem with her leaving it alone, and you may, if she's having a lot of pain, then check with your vet right away. Also, you can call me, if you like, and I can tell you how to fix it so the wound can get air, but she can't get at it.......you just have to be a little more inventive, but it does work!

Please drop me a line or two, in a PM, periodically to let me know how she's doing, and I really hope that those infertile eggs won't be problematic for her...... or if you need to talk to me, then send me your number in a PM, and I'll give you a call. I can call anywhere in the US and talk as long as I want, without any long distance charges, so I'd be happy to give you a call if you like!

Please keep me posted on how she's doing!

Denise
 

wingeddrgn

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Sorry to hear about the amputation!! Poor baby. I have 3 dragons and 2 of them have had to have amputations - but they had to have more of the tail cut off so it was stapeled shut. They both have healed nicely and there were no complications from this. I hope all goes well for her and wish her a speedy recovery.
 
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