What kind of worm is best for my beardy?
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This is where my bf orders them for his frilled http://www.greatlakeshornworm.com. They seem to have the best prices and the guy usually over counts so say you're ordering 25 you will get like 33.
Kaiser
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Superworms are a little debatable, but not because of the issues that mealworms have. You want to steer clear of mealworms because they have a high chitin-to-meat ratio (chitin being what their shell is made of) meaning they are difficult to digest. Superworms have a lower chitin-to-meat ratio, making them easier to digest (however, note that your bearded dragon typically needs to be at least 16 inches in length to properly digest worms--the short explanation for this is because at this length, the bearded dragon's gut straightens out).
What some may argue does not make superworms suitable staples is that they are somewhat fatty and some believe they are not quite as nutritious as the other staples. However, from nutritional analysis, they're relatively similar to crickets. They're also one of the few staples that you have to monitor how much you feed, as they can cause stomach problems if eaten too quickly or too many at one sitting, especially if you are first starting your bearded dragons on them. However, at worst, your bearded dragon will just regurgitate the excess.
If anything, supers can be used as staples as long as you know what you are doing, properly feed them to your appropriately sized bearded dragon, and ensure your temperature and habitat settings are up to par (for proper digestion). They're relatively similar to crickets nutrition-wise, so supplementation and variety never hurt.
Not sure about microworms, but if you are referring to micro-superworms, micro-superworms are basically younger and smaller forms of superworms, generally before their shells fully develop, making them much softer (and even possible for younger bearded dragons to eat).
Note that I am not particularly advocating for superworms, especially when there are, what I consider, better worm staples. Just listing all of the worm staples I am aware of.
What some may argue does not make superworms suitable staples is that they are somewhat fatty and some believe they are not quite as nutritious as the other staples. However, from nutritional analysis, they're relatively similar to crickets. They're also one of the few staples that you have to monitor how much you feed, as they can cause stomach problems if eaten too quickly or too many at one sitting, especially if you are first starting your bearded dragons on them. However, at worst, your bearded dragon will just regurgitate the excess.
If anything, supers can be used as staples as long as you know what you are doing, properly feed them to your appropriately sized bearded dragon, and ensure your temperature and habitat settings are up to par (for proper digestion). They're relatively similar to crickets nutrition-wise, so supplementation and variety never hurt.
Not sure about microworms, but if you are referring to micro-superworms, micro-superworms are basically younger and smaller forms of superworms, generally before their shells fully develop, making them much softer (and even possible for younger bearded dragons to eat).
Note that I am not particularly advocating for superworms, especially when there are, what I consider, better worm staples. Just listing all of the worm staples I am aware of.
reptilemaster
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My horn worms came today thay where packed well and all of them (17) where alive 
I put five in Basil's food bowl and after looking at them for a few minutes he ate them all and was looking for more
So I gave him two more and will save the rest for him tomarow and the day after :wink:
I ordered my horn worms from Linda's gone buggy she even emailed me to tell me that I had placed two orders instead of one and refunded the second one when I said I had'nt ment too
By the way how many horn worms should I give Basil in one day :?:
I put five in Basil's food bowl and after looking at them for a few minutes he ate them all and was looking for more
So I gave him two more and will save the rest for him tomarow and the day after :wink:
I ordered my horn worms from Linda's gone buggy she even emailed me to tell me that I had placed two orders instead of one and refunded the second one when I said I had'nt ment too
By the way how many horn worms should I give Basil in one day :?:
Kaiser
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@flutter: Wow, sounds like you have a real variety of different feeders and companions! Could be nice to check out whether the microworms are just small mealworms or small superworms, but it probably shouldn't matter, I'm guessing (for your dragon agama). But if they do turn out to be superworms, that would mean you could maybe share them as a treat with your bearded dragon, ha ha.
@reptilemaster: I'm not sure exactly, but I have heard that a hornworm is pretty much equivalent to approximately 30+ crickets. Not sure what kind of size hornworms compared to what kind of size crickets, but that's what I've heard at least. I would assume you feed your bearded dragon hornworms as you would with other staples (the only staple I have heard of that requires monitoring is the superworm), but that's just a guess. Hopefully someone who uses/has used hornworms regularly can help you out there.
@reptilemaster: I'm not sure exactly, but I have heard that a hornworm is pretty much equivalent to approximately 30+ crickets. Not sure what kind of size hornworms compared to what kind of size crickets, but that's what I've heard at least. I would assume you feed your bearded dragon hornworms as you would with other staples (the only staple I have heard of that requires monitoring is the superworm), but that's just a guess. Hopefully someone who uses/has used hornworms regularly can help you out there.
Yeah I have a range of reptiles and also insects (some pets, some feeders, or in the case of a group of cockroaches both). I have my regular staples, but then variety is good so they get various worms and cockroaches every now and then. Feeding them on crickets all the time is like humans having rice with every meal, you don't want that! I use to just feed on crickets, but then as I got more reptiles that needed different staples, I felt I could justify getting lots of different foods as someone will eat them all up! Plus Steve stopped eating in protest of having just crickets :roll: The only thing they don't eat is locus, they are all scared of them!
Kaiser
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That's great! Must be nice, ha ha. I would love to get more reptiles, particularly a snake. Or a tarantula or a walking stick. But my mother wouldn't let snakes or insects in the house, ha ha. Oh well, I'm content with my bearded dragon, dog, and cat. :]
And that's great reasoning; variety is always best. Wish I could afford to try out more feeders. But I still try to provide a variety.
And that's great reasoning; variety is always best. Wish I could afford to try out more feeders. But I still try to provide a variety.
reptilemaster
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Well today I gave Basil five horn worms and three bluebarrys, he seamed very happy
reptilemaster
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From here Linda's gone buggyadkpugmom":385ul764 said:
I don't know if there are smaller sizes, you should look for yourself.
Kaiser
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@reptilemaster: Glad to hear your bearded dragon is enjoying them. That reminds me; I may have to order a few hornworms as a special treat for my own. :]
@adkpugmom: You could try http://www.greatlakeshornworm.com/ if you want to find hornworms in a specific size. If you want even smaller than the options they have, you could even cultivate (meaning you can have them hatch from eggs and become adults, not necessarily breed) your own hornworm eggs with the products at this site (habitat, food, and eggs included), so you can choose when and what size to feed them off to your bearded dragon.
@adkpugmom: You could try http://www.greatlakeshornworm.com/ if you want to find hornworms in a specific size. If you want even smaller than the options they have, you could even cultivate (meaning you can have them hatch from eggs and become adults, not necessarily breed) your own hornworm eggs with the products at this site (habitat, food, and eggs included), so you can choose when and what size to feed them off to your bearded dragon.
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