Just want to say is that Veronica at http://www.beautifuldragons.com is the greatest she has helped me with so much with are baby's there is no way i can say thank you enough she let us into her home taught us how to do are own fecal s and never once turned us away no matter what or how dumb the questions i know all who are regular posters here refer to her site a lot i just wanted to say thank you to her and if you live in Oregon any where near Albany please look her up she can help with almost all bd questions and really does love all bds