Really?!?! still no breeding

[drakoandvivian]

I have had my male and my female together for about a year and they still haven't mated and today a reptile specialist store allowed me to borrow one of there males to get mine going and there was about 10 seconds of bobbing and those two are now sharing there heating rock while she is running back and forth trying to get their attention the dragon i borrowed just came out of burmintation which is the only excuse i have is that he is tired although we have joked about having the only two gay bearded dragon in existence has any one had this outrageous problem before any advice would be welcome :mrgreen:

 

[drakoandvivian]

please post a comment or suggestion

 

[Twobeardieguy]

How old are they and are you sure they are male and female?

 

[drakoandvivian]

4 years for the male and and nearly two for the female yes i know that one is a male and one is a female

 

[drakoandvivian]

sorry typo shes nearly two and a half

 

[spyder79]

First i would have to ask why have you had them together for a year? When a male and female live together the female often wont produce eggs due to being stressed out from sharing her home. My suggestion is to seperate them for 2-3 weeks then put them back together for a week or two and see if it takes. If not there is every chance you female cant reproduce.

Some dragons are not cut out for breeding its a simple truth.

 

[midwestreptiles]

Also if they have been together for a year that means she was introduced around 12 months of age which is too young for a female to breed. Im surprised she hasn't died from stress. Even being with a male for a day or two can be very hard on a female let alone a year. I would suggest doing a bit more research into breeding.

 

[drakoandvivian]

some people do say its bad to let them be around each other but my female is obviously is not stressed and my male is not aggressive the only thing he has ever attacked was his own reflection and his crickets in fact its kinda of funny my female sits on his back all day or on her climbing branch and basks its not stressful at all otherwise i wouldn't have let them stay together for so long and she is bigger than him a year was not technically correct either since about April they have shared a gallon tank with plenty of food please do not post saying I am horrible letting my dragons stay in the same tank they were not originally going to be breeders just friends then i decided i want to breed she was a year and a half when i introduced them most people say they can mate as soon as there a year old i gave here an extra half year to let her get fully grown which is about the same size as my male please dont post telling me to do more research i just thought i would share cause i thought it was kinda of funny that most of you let them see each other and instant action Ive been waiting a while borrowed someone else dragon for competition and there best friends you guys are sometimes a little too serious i love my animals and would not let them hurt or stress each other out too much i only wanted too breed for the experience i was not interested in profit before people go down that road and no i will not separate them till shes either pregnant (because then i would be worried about health issues of over breeding) or stressed (which won't happen because they get along just fine like thousands of other dragon put in cages with one or two other dragons)
besides there in such a large tank comparatively to other people how many of people have a 100 gallon tank for 1 dragon

 

[midwestreptiles]

Well you seem the be pretty defensive. Any way your still incorrect. As those people saying females can breed at 12 months are very wrong. Im sure some females can become "sexually" mature at 12 months but they are not read to breed by any means. A large tank only give them more territory for 1 dragon to control. Its in there genetics to be solitary animals though some have opinions about how domestication has affected they're ability to coexist in some habitats. There still is no way to tell whether or not a bearded dragon "likes" or "loves" its tank mate. They may be coexisting but not liking each other. They do what they have to do to survive and if that means living with another beardie then they may seem content to you or me. Laying on top of your male could mean your female is very dominant. Its a pretty common behavior in them. Do what you like im only giving you an honest opinion. And i have lots of personal experiences, trials and errors to back what i say up. As well as have spoken with many of the people on here who have more experience than me. Keeping them together until "she is pregnant" Is something an under educated or in- experienced keeper/ hobbyist would do. How can you argue with becoming better informed by doing more research because it still seems as though you are not properly informed on breeding and bearded dragon behavior and nature, etc...

 

[spyder79]

I have 4 100 gallon custom enclosure 1 for each dragon

dont try and put everyone in a box. i was giving you information as to why they wont breed. If you seperate them for a few weeks and then re-introduce breeding will probably occur. But be a little smart a$$ and see how many people try and help you.

 

[Fallencomrade2008]

Sorry to tell you this midwest but domestication has indeed changed the dragon. I came in to the possesion of 2 female dragons that shared a large tank since birth. When separated they will not eat. I kept them apart for a week long hunger strike, they wouldnt eat dubia, crickets or even salad. After that week i gave up and put them back in the same tank. The next day they both shared a bowl of salad, to my suprise they really where trying to tell me they liked their home toghther. Now they both thrive and eat every day, they have both laid infertal clutches telling me they are getting closer to being breedable. Futher more they have never been in a fight, no one eats before the other and if they lay on eachother there is no pecking order.

The sceptic will now comment to the stress of the change beeing to blame for them not eating. Well i will remind you that theoriginal cage was not changed in any way except that it was missing 1 sister dragon. If that causes stress enought not to eat then they must like eachother.

Now to address the other issue here. Dont cage a male with a female. If your male finally decided he wants to get it on....your not there to supervise. The male dosnt need protection but the female does. I've seen the horror show a ruff dragon can play on a female. the can bite on to the wrong parts just for the hell of it. In your case they were not born toghther, they probably dont rebell at separation and if yu ever want them to breed i suggest a separation for a moth or more.I would spearate them now and have them breed outside their cages in the summer time. My male is personally at his peek in the summer, some day he will scrach through the side wall of his cage, kick the cats ass and move on to makein his babies after climing to the top of the dresser where he knows his little female is waiting. lol.Well ive ranted enought for 1 day. Don't cage a male with a female, or any dragon toghther unless their are odd circumstances such as my sister dragons.

 

[spyder79]

females can and often are housed together. i have no problem with this, though its not my personal practice i know many that do it. Its the housing of a male and female that is the issue and i am glad you touched on the difference in your post. But alas im pretty sure this person cares nothing for our input so leave them together till she is pregnant but she will probably die first bro cause your male needs to be alone and allow his hormones to peak (cool down period is great for this i.e. brumation) than let him try and mate her. Right now she is in charge (hence her sitting on top of him) and he is emasculated. He wont breed her like he is right now i promise you that. And that is coming form someone that has been breeding for a little while and has kept dragons for a while.

 

[midwestreptiles]

Obviously they have become domesticated i was linking domestication with beardies liking or "loving eachother"

I have 4 100 gallon custom enclosure 1 for each dragon

dont try and put everyone in a box. i was giving you information as to why they wont breed. If you seperate them for a few weeks and then re-introduce breeding will probably occur. But be a little smart ***** and see how many people try and help you.

Was that for me or for the guys who started this thread. Im assuming him? lol

Sorry to tell you this midwest but domestication has indeed changed the dragon. I came in to the possesion of 2 female dragons that shared a large tank since birth. When separated they will not eat. I kept them apart for a week long hunger strike, they wouldnt eat dubia, crickets or even salad. After that week i gave up and put them back in the same tank. The next day they both shared a bowl of salad, to my suprise they really where trying to tell me they liked their home toghther. Now they both thrive and eat every day, they have both laid infertal clutches telling me they are getting closer to being breedable. Futher more they have never been in a fight, no one eats before the other and if they lay on eachother there is no pecking order.

Thats why i said from my experience and trails and errors. Though i would never house a male and female like this guy i have had good and bad experiences with females being together. Obviously in a large enough tank. Sometime with two females they do fine together or apart. Sometimes a female just wont socialize. Depends on how they were raised. I had two sister i raised together and now im starting to see one being more dominant, once less. Feeding habits changing clearly issues which i have addressed by providing them with there own tanks. There are lots of variables to consider.

 

[spyder79]

Obviously they have become domesticated i was linking domestication with beardies liking or "loving eachother"

I have 4 100 gallon custom enclosure 1 for each dragon

dont try and put everyone in a box. i was giving you information as to why they wont breed. If you seperate them for a few weeks and then re-introduce breeding will probably occur. But be a little smart ***** and see how many people try and help you.

Was that for me or for the guys who started this thread. Im assuming him? lol

Sorry to tell you this midwest but domestication has indeed changed the dragon. I came in to the possesion of 2 female dragons that shared a large tank since birth. When separated they will not eat. I kept them apart for a week long hunger strike, they wouldnt eat dubia, crickets or even salad. After that week i gave up and put them back in the same tank. The next day they both shared a bowl of salad, to my suprise they really where trying to tell me they liked their home toghther. Now they both thrive and eat every day, they have both laid infertal clutches telling me they are getting closer to being breedable. Futher more they have never been in a fight, no one eats before the other and if they lay on eachother there is no pecking order.

Thats why i said from my experience and trails and errors. Though i would never house a male and female like this guy i have had good and bad experiences with females being together. Obviously in a large enough tank. Sometime with two females they do fine together or apart. Sometimes a female just wont socialize. Depends on how they were raised. I had two sister i raised together and now im starting to see one being more dominant, once less. Feeding habits changing clearly issues which i have addressed by providing them with there own tanks. There are lots of variables to consider.

it was directed at the OP :mrgreen:

 

[beardie parents]

I think it depends on the personality of both beardies. I remember a lady who does breed beardies that has one male and two females, housed together, with no problems. The first two beardies we had were best friends. They would even talk to each other, while basking in their home basking spot, or outside basking in the sun. When Miss Y died, Miss O was sooo depressed, the kidney failure she had that we didn't know about until it was too late took her life 2 days shy of 2 months later. No one will convince me that they weren't best friends. However, the two females we now have I would not house them together. We can have them out at the same time but, usually when they are either on one of us on in the living room window basking with it open, Goldie (Speedy) will move to sit on top of Rosie (Zoom Zoom). That's the only thing Goldie will do to her. I don't know what will happen if they are housed together and I don't want to find out the hard way.