Not moving

[AlexBoylan]

Brandon: actually, I did give an estimate earlier. I said it's 100-110, but it's 3Fº over; most likely since the light has been on since about 5 AM this morning. I got a new bulb from the pet shop just to be safe, and replaced the old one.

He moved when I went to go pick him up, like I stated earlier. After he became hydrated, he actually climbed into my hands when I went to go pick him up, as well as held his head high up, as opposed to earlier: he didn't move at all when I went to go pick him up, and his head wasn't high.

I think you forgot that I scheduled an appointment with a vet on Wednesday because Monday was full.

Regardless, the temperatures seem to be the same: 113Fº on the basking side, and 83Fº on the cool side.



Beardednoob: that's a picture from when I first started the topic. He's already hydrated once again. I posted some update pictures of him earlier.

He ate a few crickets while I wait for the cockroaches to arrive, but he ate some. I feed him dubia. I put ZooMed repti-calcium on his feeders at least 4 times a week. He also eats turnip greens and butternut squash for vegetables.

 

[Beardednoob]

Well i hope the appointment goes well, I would be concerned for his kidneys. Keep him hydrated and his basking temperatures minimal or on the lower end of acceptable ranges.

 

[Claudiusx]

Ok,

But I specifically asked for the basking SURFACE temp, and to that you responded with yes thats the temp.
How can that be the temp if the floor, which is lower than the basking SURFACE, is 113 degrees?

You were not just 3 degrees off. If the floor is is 113 I can only imagine that basking SURFACE (the temp I asked for a few times) is 20 degrees hotter!

Can you answer the rest of my questions please?
What are your temps now with the new bulb? Basking SURFACE (not the floor..) hot side, and cool side?

You say the basking side is 113. First off, is this the floor again? If so its still WAY too hot. You want your hot side to be in the 90s, and cool side to be in the 80s.

I did not see you make any mention of a vet appointment on Wednesday, but I am glad you got one.

You are going to bath him every day correct?

We really need to get the temps in your tank sorted out so please, for your dragon, tell us the temps and don't guess. You can NOT guess when it comes to something as important as temperature, especially when a dragons life is on the line....

-Brandon

 

[Esther19]

In my humble opinion, the last picture shows a beardie that is approaching his end. I will keep him in my prayers.

 

[AlexBoylan]

Okay, thank you very much. I will make sure to ask them to take a look at his kidney's.

But as for the temperatures, the surface on one side was 113Fº and the other side is 83Fº, but they probably aren't that hot anyways, seeing as how I take them out quite a bit to let them run around. But, if they don't like the temperature on the log (highest basking spot), can't they just walk on over to the other side? I mean, that's kind-of why there's a cool side.. :?

I'll let you know in an hour what the temperature is with the new bulb.

 

[Claudiusx]

Ok,

I will assume your basking spot is a log/rock correct?

You want to place the probe right on the log/rock, underneath the light, and leave it there for 45 minutes. Once its been 45 minutes note down the temperature you are getting, and post it here. Then for the hot side place the probe on the ground on the same side the basking light is on. Do the same thing, 45 minutes then write down the temp here. Once you have the Basking SURFACE and the hot side temps, move the probe to the ground on the cool side, the side opposite of the heat lamp, and do the same 45 minute wait. Then post those temps.

I hope that makes sense, I still get the sneaking suspicion you are measuring the temp of the floor and not the log/rock (which is closer to the light as its up off the ground).

If the bulb is too hot, then even the cool side will be too hot. And if your dragon is weak and dehydrated, it will not have the strength to move.

-Brandon

 

[dragonlover3]

Hi,
It is UNFORTUNATE you believe you have had any experience at all at 13 years old with this being your first beardie which you got on December 18th.
There are members here who have had beardies longer than you've been alive! There are YEARS of experience at your finger tips with sound advice given freely to help your beardie. The experts here want to help your beardie, not fence words with you or try to convince you of what you NEED to do for him. If you didn't want the expert's advice to help you, then why ask for help?

If you won't take the advice given by several experts to have him checked by a vet, have a fecal done and stop insisting he is brumating, then sadly your beardie will pay the price for your insolence. The care sheets you keep throwing at the experts were written by the them!
And since you are using them to justify ignoring expert advice perhaps you should re-read all of the sections not just the parts you want to believe.


Here are some random quotes from one you site, you must have missed this part!

QUOTE "7 1/2 Months is a bit young for full brumation. Although not common it is not totally unheard of."

Did you see the part about brumation that young not being common? And do you even know how old your beardie is...first it's 4 months, then 7 months?
Did he age 3 months to accommodate your misguided theory that he's brumating?

QUOTE "BUT before you make this lazy behaviour out to be semi brumation {or brumation} you first HAVE TO rule out any illness, as letting an ill dragon brumate can be deadly."

Did you see the part about letting a sick dragon brumate being deadly?

QUOTE "Checks you have to do is
Temps.....are they still the same and within the range they should be
UVB.....is it less than 6 mnths old and within the prescribed range from the dragon
Parasites.....Have you had a fecal done recently to rule this out? Having a dragon brumate while having parasites can be deadly also
Relo stress.....Have you moved tanks, changed decor or anything that can cause relo stress?"

Did you read any of the above?

As far as telling Brandon you had a vet's appointment, you already said you's cancel it if YOU thought he was ok.

QUOTE Re: Not moving
by AlexBoylan » Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:38 pm
It really looks like he is just brumating. The reason he probably didn't find a safe place to hide when I put him on the floor, is probably because he already ran around my room since he arrived here. He knows that my room is safe regardless. The vet is full today, so we booked an appointment for Wednesday, but I'll cancel if Povi is doing fine (which looks like he is). I'll give him a bath every week, and feed him as well.
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Also, your temps are TOO HIGH, at least listen to that! 113* on the floor is insane!

I apologize if I have over stepped, and the mods will remove my post if I have. Everyone just want to help your beardie! PLEASE listen to them! I am not trying to make you angry and can hate my guts for this post. I just hope it wakes you up for Povi's sake!
Amanda

 

[Esther19]

Alex, if you are 13 years old, please, if you want to save Povi, put your parents on the computer. You need help. Povi needs help.

 

[AlexBoylan]

Okay, I mis-understood. Yes, I put the probe on the bottom of the tank (mentioned that earlier as well). I will go do that now.

But, he's not in the tank anymore, that's why he's hydrated once again. I took him out and covered him up with blankets (mentioned that earlier too).

I don't think anyone is looking at the updated pictures I posted on imgur, though. :?
I'll just use the image tags. Just associate what I said before, with these images.

Amanda, I said earlier that when he poops, I'll get a fecal done. But, as for his age, I actually mixed up the dates for how long I've had him with how long he was born (not sure how that happened).

I also just replaced the bulb and moved him out of his tank. You might want to read the rest of the posts, just to understand the changes I already made.

Esther, I already discussed the situation with my parents; I constantly inform them of the information you have given me. My Mom, Dad, and I spent yesterday researching a bit more, and we all agree that it's brumation. If not that, then parasites. That's kind-of why I said I would book an appointment.

Everyone seems a bit mis-guided, or I just explained the situation incorrectly. I'll do a basic summary of the conversation:

1. Povi had a black beard and looked dehydrated. You guys helped me hydrate him once again.
2. Brandon told me to give him the temperatures, so I did. But, I already moved him out of the tank a day before.
3. I posted pictures of how well he is doing, also gave an explanation of how he is acting.
4. I replaced the basking bulbs, and am waiting for an accurate temperature.
5. I booked an appointment with a vet, but thought I might cancel if he seemed better. I decided that I would just go ahead and do it, but forgot to tell everyone that I did (sorry, probably may have saved a lot of trouble)
6. Povi is just sleeping.

Alright, so I am basically doing everything you guys have asked me to. What exactly do I do now?

 

[Claudiusx]

Hi Alex,

So just to be clear, at the moment you are getting the temp of the basking surface and not the floor right?

I hate to say it but i'm going to have to agree with the above. A few of us on here have in fact had experience with beardies for much longer than you have been alive. You will just have to trust our expertise over what you and your parents think.

Like I said earlier, you wouldn't argue with a car mechanic who has been in business for 20+ years just because you read an article online about cars would you?

He is definitely looking better than yesterdays photos, but that doesn't mean he is out of the woods. I am hoping he will poo soon for you so we can know a few more things.

And just to be clear on one more thing, you are in fact taking him to the vet on Wednesday correct? Even if you do think he is improving?

Getting your temps is the number 1 thing you need to do right now. We need to get your temps settled in so you can safely put your dragon back in his tank. He needs to be in there to bask at proper temperatures.

-Brandon

 

[Scales]

But as for the temperatures, the surface on one side was 113Fº and the other side is 83Fº, but they probably aren't that hot anyways, seeing as how I take them out quite a bit to let them run around. But, if they don't like the temperature on the log (highest basking spot), can't they just walk on over to the other side? I mean, that's kind-of why there's a cool side.. :?

I apologize if this seems on the surface slightly off topic: I may have mis-read something, but are you housing two dragons together?

Amy

 

[AlexBoylan]

Yes, I will be taking him to the vet on Wednesday, regardless.

I did have Povi and Vita together, but a while ago, I decided to separate them. They see each other when I let them run around, but they don't fight at all. I make sure to watch them all the time, and am there just if in case anything does happen.


I'm sorry if I'm coming off as ignorant, but I saw the caresheet, and everything besides the dehydration are shown in Povi. I'll just let Povi sleep until we take him to the vet on Wednesday. Thank you all for your concern.

 

[Claudiusx]

Hi Alex,

I didn't realize you had two dragons. You will want to make sure the temps in the other dragons tank is correct too once you are done with povi's

I am still eagerly awaiting the temps.
If you are having trouble with it still being too hot, you might want to invest in a dimmer switch, so you can dim the light to the temperature you need.

-Brandon

 

[ShannyBeard]

But as for the temperatures, the surface on one side was 113Fº and the other side is 83Fº, but they probably aren't that hot anyways, seeing as how I take them out quite a bit to let them run around. But, if they don't like the temperature on the log (highest basking spot), can't they just walk on over to the other side? I mean, that's kind-of why there's a cool side.. :?

NO. They are desert lizards and they bask - it's what they instinctively do. Your dragon is going to want to be directly under that light and you need to give your dragon a safe and recommended basking temperature. It is cruel to have a basking temperature that is dangerously high and hope your dragon goes over to the cool side to avoid the heat. That's just wrong. The cool side is not designed to compensate for ignorant owners, I'm sorry to say that. It is to allow for a temperature gradient, not as an escape from bad husbandry.

 

[AlexBoylan]

I've made the adjustments to the other tank as well.

Also, why is there a hot side and a cool side if it doesn't matter anyways? I always assumed that they could just cool down a bit on the cooler side if they just happened to be too hot.