Lethargic, hiding dragon

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jkratman

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Hi,

I'm a first time beardie owner. We bought George at 8 weeks old at a reptile show. He's now six months old. He's 16" long. I don't have a scale to weigh him, but until recently, I'd say he was nicely plump. The base of his tail is fat.

When we first got him, he ate like a champ. Salad (mustard greens, collard greens, escarole, various safe fruits) every day. Up until about two weeks ago, he ate 35 black soldier fly larvae in the morning, and 80-100 medium crickets a night.

Lately (last two weeks), he still eats his BSFL (with much less gusto) and only 10-20 large crix at night. He seems disinterested after the first few. No chasing, just scooping them up if they come near. This morning, he seemed disinterested in his BSFL, which he usually devours.

He spends most of the day in his hide. I tried to bathe him yesterday and he freaked out for the first time. Literally leaped over the side of the rubbermaid to get out. His eyes still look bright, but often when I peak into his hide, his eyes seem droopy with gray circles under them. Once he opens them, they look fine, just the same as always.

He is in a 40 gallon (really 50 because its high-- its the exterra large/tall terrarium) with a reptisun 10.0 tube 7-8 inches from his basking spot, no screen in between. Basking temp is 105 with digital probe and confirmation from laser temp gun. Cool side 77-81 degrees. Nighttime temps above 65.

If I take him out of his hide, he'll stay for a bit but makes his way back sooner rather than later. Poop has slowed from everyday to every couple of days. Poop is solid and formed (often in a puddle of clear water) with white urate, sometimes colored to reflect his vegetable intake. Crix dusted 5 times a week with repti-cal, two times a week with herpavite.

He still looks good, but just not his old self. He seems to eat less and less. Isn't he too young to brumate? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I have no prob taking him to the vet, but it's below zero here in the Northeast and the vet is an hour away. I don't want to bring him out in temperatures like that unless I have to.

Thanks!
 

Drache613

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Hello,

Do you have any pictures of him so we can see his physical condition?
His tank setup sounds great. The Reptisun 10 tube bulb is a great bulb so that shouldn't be the issue. The supplementation schedule is perfect as well. Actually at 6 months, they can brumate quite well. If he is large enough & is healthy, it is very normal to brumate for awhile.
His stools are normal & not overly smelly like they would be if he had worms or parasites?

Tracie
 

jkratman

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Hi Tracie,

Thanks for responding. I realize now that I should have posted this in another part of the forum, like health or something. Sorry about that.

George seems a bit better today. He stayed out of his hide most of the day. 10 crix this morning. No poop for two days now.

Here are a couple of pictures.

Thanks again,

John










 

jkratman

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Whoops, missed the second part of the question...not much poop over the last few days. However, I've always thought his poop smelled pretty bad.
 

jkratman

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OK, so now he seems to be out of hiding, but he hasn't pooped in four days! He's usually very regular, once a day.

Hi substrate is tile...I gave him a bath and belly massage last night, but no poop.

I did not feed him any live prey this morning, just greens.

Should I feed him crickets tonight? Would Reptiworms be a better choice?

Please help!

Thanks.
 

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He looks like he's in very good condition size wise. I would mistake him for an adult rather than a 6 month old just based on the photos. His eyes are nice and clear too. He may be in some kind of semi brumation stage which is causing lethargy. Is his appetite up? did he eat a decent amount of salad today? I'd keep offering the bugs if he's taking them. Keep up with the baths and be patient with the poop. They can get stopped up sometimes and it's not necessarily a problem. You can try putting some olive oil drops on his nose and get him to lick them off if you are concerned. That can help move things along. If you think his poop is unusually smelly, it can't hurt to get a fecal test done at the vet. You'll usually need to bring him in for a checkup but the checkup and fecal test isn't usually expensive. Both together would be under $50 where I live but it varies greatly from place to place.
 

jkratman

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Thanks, CooperDragon!

Good news, I got him to poop last night in the bath. He had about 15 large crickets afterwards. Hi salad intake is way down.

I'll keep an eye on him. I appreciate your comment.
 

Drache613

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Hello,

That is great he did eat for you & went to the bathroom, too! :D
He does look very good & definitely does look more like an adult than a juvenile/sub adult to me, also.
I think he is in a semi-brumation & may not be quite sure what to do since it is his first one.
Let us know how he is doing!

Tracie
 

jkratman

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So, update for George....

Now he's really conked out. Unfortunately, i know he's got some food in his belly that he hasn't pooped out.

What should I do? I tried to bring him out yesterday and blocked his hide. He went crazy trying to get back in, to the point where he pushed a big rock out of the way to get through it.

I felt bad, so I let him go back in.

Is this going to be a problem? He ate maybe 20 reptiworms and some salad two days ago.

Thanks!
 

Drache613

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Hello,

So he is sleeping soundly now?
Well, that isn't a lot of food, so he should be ok. He will probably end up coming out soon though.
Poor thing, he just wanted to sleep for awhile.
Let us know how he is doing.

Tracie
 

jkratman

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Hi Everyone,

Wanted to give an update on George....he's still semi-brumating/brumating. I take him out once a week for a bath, though he doesn't ever "lap" up the water, I assume he is absorbing it.

When I take him out (big, comfy hide with an old t-shirt as a bed) his colors look great and he perks up.

I wonder how much longer? I miss him!

Here are some Pix. Does he look OK to everyone?

http://s1300.photobucket.com/user/jkratman/media/20150320_170644_zpscvkdzihd.jpg.html
http://s1300.photobucket.com/user/jkratman/media/20150320_170642_zpsk7lhwabm.jpg.html
http://s1300.photobucket.com/user/jkratman/media/20150320_170942_zpswotomrtd.jpg.html
http://s1300.photobucket.com/user/jkratman/media/20150320_1705520_zpsmmk6yzy8.jpg.html
 

Drache613

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Hello,

He does look good, just a little sleepy. What a nice looking boy he is, I think he will be fine once he comes out of his sleepy mood. This is quite normal but hopefully he will come out soon. :D

Tracie
 

jkratman

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Thanks, Tracie!

Strangely enough, when I got home on Thursday, he was half out of his hide. We brought him some greens, but he ended up gong back in.

Last night, we gave him a bath. He eyed his salad for a few minutes and went back to bed. Guess he's going to sleep a while longer.

Thanks for the advice,

John
 
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