Inquiries about Incubation :P

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tigristusha

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My boyfriend and I are getting into breeding beardeds. We have wonderful well-tempered adults (two males and two gorgeous girls) and one little female that we just couldn't resist buying from an expo(wee little China, who's growing very nicely :D)

Recently our biggest female Honey, whom we had set up with Mr. Monty, laid a clutch of eggs (Feb. 15th). My boyfriend had learned of a different way to incubate the eggs than I had, so we tried it and it worked....until recently.

The setup was as follows:

A 10 gal tank with a saran-wrapped screen mesh top, with four small holes in the top for ventilation. Two bricks laid on the floor with water filled to the brim, and an aquarium heater set inside to heat the water, thus creating heat and humidity. We then placed a screen on top of the bricks, and the container with the eggs (she laid 15) with dry vermiculite inside. Dry because of the high humidity.

As I said it worked BEAUTIFULLY except for one flaw... too much condensation, and not enough airflow. We began to loose eggs. We were already down a few because she had accidentally crushed 3 of them and punctured 2 while burying them. But then came the mold, and I panicked.

We then set up a hovabator with moist vermiculite. The problem is that our eggs have deflated some and I know that is due to low humidity... :p I remixed the vermiculite today and I was just wondering if I will be loosing the eggs. We know we have at least 4 good ones. They've swelled quite nicely. I think what may have cause them to collapse before was that the vermiculite was absorbing moisture from the eggs themselves, despite the high humidity. (Keep in mind our first setup had dry media..stupid stupid idea)

Temperature and humidity have remained at good ranges. 82-86. My digital thermometer/hygrometer keeps track of all the shifts in temperature throughout the day. Humidity was never lower than 88%. This is for BOTH setups.

I could kick myself a million times for not starting off with the way I knew was used by so many. But I wanted to trust our local petguy and my boyfriend. Being petpeople ourselves makes me feel no better about this.

Also, I would like to hear peoples opinion of this source: http://www.reptiles.repashy.com/superhatch.htm

:/ I'd rather hear the bad news from people who have been there than to find it out later on.

Fingers crossed....

-Tusha

p.s: no need to berate me I already feel bad enough as it is. However if all else fails I do believe she already has another clutch on the way. Shes swelled up again and I've already prepared her tank for new eggs. ;P Monty knows what he's doing.
 

JubJubLizard

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Ahhh.. nobody can be harder on you than yourself.My husband had the same thoughts as your bf but we went with the hovabator in the end. We just had our girls 1st clutch hatch out, 10 in total and the other 2 clutches are doing great!
So your main question is that now that you moved your eggs they are denting? Just let me know and I will do my best to help. :)
As far as the link are you wondering about the best substates to use?
 

tigristusha

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JubJubLizard":f6137 said:
Ahhh.. nobody can be harder on you than yourself.My husband had the same thoughts as your bf but we went with the hovabator in the end. We just had our girls 1st clutch hatch out, 10 in total and the other 2 clutches are doing great!
So your main question is that now that you moved your eggs they are denting? Just let me know and I will do my best to help. :)
As far as the link are you wondering about the best substates to use?


As far as the denting, I wanted to know if it is possible for them to recover from that.

And as for the link, just wanted opinions on the information given. I might end up switching to perlite in the future.
 

JubJubLizard

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Oh ok... first are the eggs any where near the time they should hatch? Sorry I don't know if you already put this in your original thread. If they are that is a whole different story. If not throughout the incubating process if you humidity gets low then your eggs can dent. When ours would show signs of this I will add very small amounts of water to the substrate. Are the channels in the bottom of your incubator full of water? We live in Nevada and I fill the channels and also I keep two small damp sponges in the incubator. Also what are you covering the eggs with as far as lids?
We started with vermeculite and we are now using hatchrite. My reason for changing is our first batch was too wet and making the eggs all funky (bottoms were getting odd shaped and real big) this was my fault. I needed more vermeculite but no store in town would sell it until spring and so I ordered hatchrite. I have been very happy with it. Also I should add that even after adding small amounts of water and such it takes the eggs a few days to plump back up. About 3 weeks before hatching one of the eggs we had got so denting actually was looking shriveled sorta any how it took me about 5 days till it was plump again and it hatched just fine in fact he is doing wonderful :) I hope any of this helps you and hopefully someone else will let you know about perilite.
 

tigristusha

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Ugh that is very relieving to hear. It at least gives me some hope in the matter. I will definitely research the hatch-rite some more.

The eggs should be hatching anywhere from early April till early May. (assuming it will take 60-90 days...)

The eggs are pretty severely dented. Since you asked what kind of cover they have I'm assuming they should be even though they are inside of the Hovabator...so I will get right on to seeing how others prepare the covers.

Here are some pics I took with my phone just now (sorry its a large photo and its dark...):

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The tray at the bottom of the incubator is filled with water, I figured that would help and it is somewhat similar to the first setup we had going.

The link I posted commented that Vermiculite can house so much moisture that it can aid in fungal and bacterial infestations, which is part of the problem we had before and why I want to switch to something else. I don't want to risk any future clutches. I'm amazed at how quickly she has swelled up again...I can only assume that she is gravid once more. Her and Monty did a hell of a lot of mating.

Thank you so much for your input :3
 

JubJubLizard

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you are welcome anytime. Hey scroll down and read the thread under breeding titled digging in...on the 2nd page I posted a pic of our incubator and how it is set up maybe this will help. Some put sealed lids, some put no lids, in out case he have lids with a hole about the size of a pencil and these just rest top. Our first egg hatched on day 56 and our last today on day 61 :)
 

JubJubLizard

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Your pic just showed up...they are pretty dented. How moist in your vermeculite? Everyone told me to think like cookie dough consistency. Also when pinched you should not be able to squeeze out water. Do you know if they are fertile for sure
 

tigristusha

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they werent always like that. This happened within the last two days. Vermiculite was perfect. Kept its form and all, no excess water. Plus the water that is in the tray below. I will be covering them in an attempt to help them recover if that is even possible. There are some other eggs inside that were dropped off by some customers that didnt know what to do with their eggs, but most of those were definitely no good. The ones that belong to Honey in this picture are the three at the bottom right. :cry:

I dont think her eggs would have swelled like they did if they were infertile.
 

JubJubLizard

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Yes for sure and they do look nice and white. It happens and I bet in a few days they are plumped right back out :blob5: I wish I had a pic of the egg I told you about as it was not only dented but looked like raisin skin. All of the others in that same container were just fine.
 

tigristusha

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yep, i found the top to the tupperware ironically right next to the beardie cage. punched some holes for vetilation, and put it on.
 

tigristusha

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HONEY IS GETTING READY TO LAY HER 2ND CLUTCH!!! Im so excited. I dont know if she will definitely lay them tonight but it is sure as hell soon. I had difficulties with her previous clutch and I dont think they will be making it, but I will keep them their full term and see. Until then, I have to prepare for her new babies. I hope I dont screw up this time :( I will be REALLY upset if I cant get this right.

Here are some pics of her digging:

She is looking real tired too. Poor girly <3
honeylaying.jpg


making some more adjustments...
honeylaying2.jpg
 

JubJubLizard

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What a sweetie. Did she end up laying? You will do just great with this clutch and some of those first ones just may surprise you after all :) Did any of them plump back up?
 
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