Horn worms and superworms?

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amyemiline

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My dragon has been on a bit of a food strike for a while, only wanting horn worms and butter worms as I have posted in other threads.


So i just tried super worms as suggested by a vet assistant and he loved them which makes me happy because i was worried about him not eating enough.

So would a rotation of super worms and horn worms be a good staple for him?
 

kingofnobbys

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Superworms are used by some here (Australia as a staple feeder for adult beardies) , IMO this is risky, I offer superworms as part of the diet but not everyday (maybe 2 - 3 supers 3 times a week with buk choi greens and crickets).

Tobacco hornworms are not available commercially here in Australia.

Some people give grape worms (I think they look like
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and they say their lizards love them.

If you want an ideal worm to use as staple I highly recommend silkworms , they are just about a perfect feeder insect. And most lizards go crazy for them. If you are north of the equator, they should be in season now as lavae , they are dead easy to care for , if you have access to a mulberry tree that's not sprayed , this is idea, apparently the leafs are a good green too, otherwise they can be fed silkworm chow (comes as a powder that you mix with boiling water and then nuke before using).
Silkworms will last 2 months while lavae and need feedings daily.
For small hatchlings I use small silkworms (1 inch long worms and their moths), for juveniles medium silkworms (1 - 2 inches long) and adult beardies will happily eat 2 to 4 large (3 inch) silkworms in a sitting).
 

amyemiline

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I have been having a hard time getting silk worms and eggs. I contacted 3 suppliers and they didn't want to ship to me because of weather? I live in Canada and said they are really fragile and wouldn't make the trip. Also being in Canada I have no access to Dubias.

So I was just trying to find the next best thing since he won't eat crickets. And only Phoenix worms here and there. I tried letting him though it out for a bit with nothing but crickets and salad offered and he went 6 days with only a few bites of salad, then I caved in and called the vet to ask for an opinion which is when i was suggested the super worms in variety.

I seem get mixed opinions on it. I'm just stuck as to what to do if the superworms and horn worms together is going to not be ideal.
 

kingofnobbys

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amyemiline":1q8jjw9n said:
I have been having a hard time getting silk worms and eggs. I contacted 3 suppliers and they didn't want to ship to me because of weather? I live in Canada and said they are really fragile and wouldn't make the trip. Also being in Canada I have no access to Dubias.

So I was just trying to find the next best thing since he won't eat crickets. And only Phoenix worms here and there. I tried letting him though it out for a bit with nothing but crickets and salad offered and he went 6 days with only a few bites of salad, then I caved in and called the vet to ask for an opinion which is when i was suggested the super worms in variety.

I seem get mixed opinions on it. I'm just stuck as to what to do if the superworms and horn worms together is going to not be ideal.

You do have the option of handfeeding , simply press the insect against the lips and maybe pull the bottom lip down enough with the finger tip enough to put some the insect in the gob , the lizard will do the rest.

When I buy my silkworms , often they travel from Cairns (far north coast of Queensland) I pay to have then shipped by express overnight post (worth the expense IMO).
Similar when I bought the silkworms I was using this summer to get Peppa and Toothless off to good start , I was buying from a hobbyist in Sydney and again used Express Post.
Not so urgent with the eggs, so long as they are kept warm and not exposed to freezing conditions enroute they are fine sent by regular post in a ziplock plastic bag in an standard envelope but usually sent in a CD box so they are protected from being crushed.

If you are in Canada , they should be for sale locally too .
 

kingofnobbys

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amyemiline":3890tbmu said:
Force feed him? :/

I haven't tried that.

Thank you for the advice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVupVG9E06s
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYVe79z5wEM
I'm more gentle and patient than the person in this second clip, but it does show the general idea.
For a little one like shown in 2nd clip, I slip the fat end of amputated cricket hopper leg between the lips and then while it's being chewed, slip the squished head in-between the lips.

With my big girl (I've hand fed her all her life .... yeh I know ..... she's spoilt rotten ) - I simply pull down the bottom jaw just enough to let me insert some the insect into the gob, I tend to quish the head of the insect so they get a taste of the yummy goodness inside right away.
Is easy to do, pet and snuggle them at the same time and they will find it a very pleasureable experience , is a great way to bond with a lizard too.
 
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