hello from IL

[chiefandy22]

ih every one i have two dragons that i have had since they were about 2 months old my guess is that there about seven months now male and female both from the same clutch so more like brother and sister they are my first two ever owning a reptile they both were given to me from a close friend that is a breeder

toothless is darker then sonic toothless is my male and sonic is my female they live together in the same tank witch i know is not normally a good thing but they have been together there whole lives and they done fight and toothless dosnt want to mate inside there tank but i am ready to separate them if need be

 

[HKzForDayz]

I would seperate them immediately. While there have been cases of 2 female dragons cohabitating without obvious issues, it will always be stressful to the submissive dragon and there have been many a cases of dragons living together for 6,7,8 years and they come home one day to a dead dragon. Bearded Dragons are not social animals, only coming together in the wild to mate, and housing them together like such is both unnatural and unfair. In severe cases a beardie ends up dead due to fighting. In moderate cases , and most common, one beardie will always get less food, less UVB , less heat (its not always obvious , so just because you dont see it happening doesnt mean its not) best case scenario, the submissive dragon will get adequate amounts of everything but will be constantly stressed due to being housed in an enclosure with a dominant dragon (unless there is two females, there will always be a dominant dragon, and even with two females there still usually is.

 

[chiefandy22]

all i know from what i see is that they dont fight (i missed dont and worte done) and the only time i see an isssue with food is sonic eats all the crickets but toothless is kinda slow thats in the morning when i leave for school im still in high school but my mom works from home and i always ask her how they have been and i get a good report but for my sake of mind i am going to set up a cramra to stream to my phone so when im out of the house i can see what there up to first hand toothless is a bit bigger but not by much funny thing is he was the runt and with them being together this long im not sure if i could cuz it might create separation issues i have heard story's about numerous animals being sperated and becoming depressed because of it even though they are not social im still unsure of it because of that i dont care what some might say animals still can have psychological issues just like us

 

[HKzForDayz]

all i know from what i see is that they dont fight (i missed dont and worte done) and the only time i see an isssue with food is sonic eats all the crickets but toothless is kinda slow thats in the morning when i leave for school im still in high school but my mom works from home and i always ask her how they have been and i get a good report but for my sake of mind i am going to set up a cramra to stream to my phone so when im out of the house i can see what there up to first hand toothless is a bit bigger but not by much funny thing is he was the runt and with them being together this long im not sure if i could cuz it might create separation issues i have heard story's about numerous animals being sperated and becoming depressed because of it even though they are not social im still unsure of it because of that i dont care what some might say animals still can have psychological issues just like us

Bearded Dragons are not social animals, while it is possible for SOME animals to lead lower quality lives because of missing their cage mate, Bearded Dragons are not social animals.

 

[Beardymama33]

all i know from what i see is that they dont fight (i missed dont and worte done) and the only time i see an isssue with food is sonic eats all the crickets but toothless is kinda slow thats in the morning when i leave for school im still in high school but my mom works from home and i always ask her how they have been and i get a good report but for my sake of mind i am going to set up a cramra to stream to my phone so when im out of the house i can see what there up to first hand toothless is a bit bigger but not by much funny thing is he was the runt and with them being together this long im not sure if i could cuz it might create separation issues i have heard story's about numerous animals being sperated and becoming depressed because of it even though they are not social im still unsure of it because of that i dont care what some might say animals still can have psychological issues just like us

Actually, you will improve their disposition and psychological well being by separating them. If you do not then one may turn on the other and kill or maim the less dominate one. As young as they are now, they will actually be easier to separate. You are setting them up to mate, or possibly come home to a dead dragon because the female decided she didnt want the male to mate with her or the male became overly aggressive and killed her because she didnt submit. Please dont close your mind and get the "uh uh" attitude. The cases you are referring to are rare and forced situations. The biggest one was from a group of animals that were forced to live together and were abused so they took solace from each other.

 

[chiefandy22]

im not completely closed off from the idea of separating them its just that they have been together for there whole lives this far and im just not sure about separating them i guess it wouldn't hurt to try it and see how it goes the worst that would happen is i would have to put them back together

 

[HKzForDayz]

im not completely closed off from the idea of separating them its just that they have been together for there whole lives this far and im just not sure about separating them i guess it wouldn't hurt to try it and see how it goes the worst that would happen is i would have to put them back together

I dont think you are understanding how critical it is to seperate them, and keep them seperared. If you are looking for someone to tell you that you are right and they may be ok together since they've spent a couple months together, you are at the wrong forum.

Its not a question as to if issues will arise, its when they will arise and how severe they will be. Bearded Dragons , unlike a lot of other animals , are NOT social animals. In the wild , they live lives of solitude. Browse through this forum, i cant tell you how many times in the 6 years ive been here I have seen threads just like this one , to only find a thread a few months or even years later of "dragons fighting", "dragon tail hanging off", "one dragon not growing" or even "dragon dead"

It is important to remember that while they are commonly kept in captivity, bearded dragons are not domesticated animals. They are wild animals that we keep in captivity for our pleasure, and we owe it to them to recreate their natural environment to the best of our abilities. In the wild, these animals do not come together , except for to mate. This sort of mindest is evident in their violent mating behaviors. It is both unnatural and unfair to force two bearded dragons to live in such close quarters.

If a social lizard is what you are after, the Rankins Dragons may be better suited for you. They not only are okay tou house multiples together, they actually thrive in groups.

It was not my intent to come off stern , or to lecture, but if you are going to become a keeper of bearded dragons, it is vital that you understand the animals as best as you can.

 

[Beardymama33]

you can put them on a schedule, separate them but let them play with each other, with supervision, until they are of age and isolate the female from the male so they dont mate when she shows signs of ovulation/estrus. Also give them each more and more one on one time so they get used to being separated and attach to you, which will alleviate your concerns and make them happier beardies.

 

[diamc]

Hi, others have offered some great info. One thing that i don't think was mentioned is that beardies go through puberty anywhere from 6 to 9 months and could breed but their bodies would be too underdeveloped since so young to be able to survive it, especially the female being gravid. They are not considered full grown until about 2 yrs old so both of their lives would be at risk breeding at such a young age. If they did breed, there is a huge chance that any babies that survived would be very deformed due to the young age of the parents and that they are siblings, it's not worth the risks.

Something else to be aware of is that any change at all can cause them stress so when separated, they both may show shows of stress, less eating, confusion, etc but it will only last about 2 wks and would be much better for them overall.

We hope you make the right decision and separate them sooner rather than later.

 

[chiefandy22]

ok well im going to separate them my only thing is that the both like the things that they have in there tank now and how would i determine witch one to move especially since sonic also gets jealous if sees me setting up a new tank i know this from'when i moved them in to the tank they have now i got glared at

 

[Beardymama33]

ok well im going to separate them my only thing is that the both like the things that they have in there tank now and how would i determine witch one to move especially since sonic also gets jealous if sees me setting up a new tank i know this from'when i moved them in to the tank they have now i got glared at

move sonic and get similar things for that tank.

 

[chiefandy22]

would it be ok to move the one thing that she really likes from toothless tank to hers and replace it with something similar for him

 

[Genestealer187]

Hi all I'm in the same sort off situation mine are from different parents but was told both where female guess what ?? Lol they aren't now my female is gravid

elsa the gravid female

black beard male

 

[Beardymama33]

would it be ok to move the one thing that she really likes from toothless tank to hers and replace it with something similar for him

yes get her favorite item and move it with her..

 

[Genestealer187]

Might be wrong but isn't it a good idea to move the tank around now and again? Mine love it when I add new things and take stuff out now and again