haveing issues

[CKY]

ok to start im a proud parent of a 10 oz 24 inch long male 1 1/2 year old berdie he is fun to be with and to watch run laps on the bed me and my wife where trying to get him a play mate we figured a female would be best but due to his size we have found it hard to find a match here comes the horrible part
we found 2 girls one white one black we havent named them yet so i will refer to them as black or white on monday we got them didnt realize how sick they where until we got home and put them in a quarantine so we could check them out and make sure they dont have worms or perasites tuesday we fed all 3 of them the same things romane with crickets with super worms this is what we have fed flash(our male) daily crickets ranging from 20 to 30 1 inch long he is a pig and eats his crickets first then his worms then his lettuce the girls didnt eat but 5- 10 crickets and a leaf apiece upon futher inspection they both have there fat pockets depleted white more so then black white wont lift her head but for a few min she also wont move as in she wont chase her food at all shes very ill i think she has worms but i havent taken a sampel in yet the black clutched 17 eggs teusday night (what is it with rescues and eggs) i have read alot about alot of rescues and cluthing eggs with in the first few days of being in there new habatat since there in quaratine we thought that it would be good just to have them on papertowel for now incase we need a sampel for testing i know pinkys are good for fat so i bought 4 today 2 a piece for the girls flash eats hoppers dont ask he wont eat a pinky its too small so i got him a hopper will feed him tomarrow and the black one as well the white one is the problem we tried feeding her a pinky just like it is and she wont eat it so i put it in a syrenge and force feed her but that didnt work too well i orded a pinky pump but im afraid it wont be here in time to be of any use she is fading fast any help on this matter would be greatly apperciated we tried baby food and its not helping we need something in her stomach asap that will be benefical we have gatorade i was thinking about useing a blender and making a baby food gatorade pinky sluary to feed her with i need the most fating most protein mix to feed a little at a time both black and white are pooping daily the white one is kinda watery but solid for the most part i know im in over my head this time around

 

[TallicadaZ]

wow, that sounds rough. Im a beardie noob so cant help im afraid, but I hope they pull through!

 

[Buggsy]

Ok, firstly although flash would prob like the famles, they wont like him pestering them, beardies are very territorial so you will need to have them separated.

Secondly pinkies are not good. Agreed after laying a clutch they CAN replenish fat stores, but they are terribly hard to digest and with the girls already having problems i would have avoided them like the plague. Anyway, its done now, but in the future try not to feed and food longer than the space between their eyes, and larger and you run the risk of impaction, no matter what the ages. worms are the exception lol! as your male is getting older you can cut down the supers to every other day, you dont want him getting too fat and have liver or kidney probs. Here is a link to a nutritional chart, it explain all the veggies you should be offering, please note that lettice isnt any good, it has litterally no nutrition to it. I take it if your feeding hoppers you in the UK, so spring greens and mustard greens (a bit harder to find) are the best staples over here.

Any way, what set up are you using for the girls? specifically what UVB, brand secific please (should be printed on the bulb) and what temperature are you getting??

My guess is they have been kept in bad tanks and are showing the effects now, i would give them both nice long soaks, and lay off the feeders for now, stick with babyfood, its easily digestable and if you get a chicken flavour that should help add a little protein. Drop a little on each nose and hopefully they should lick it off, youll need to water it down a little though.

When you say black and white? can you post pics to explain? ive seen a few odd colours but never black or white before! lol

Besides that i thin if you post a pic of the tank and the girls we can get a better idea of what your working with!

 

[CKY]

ok as i stated they wont eat the baby food and the one girl did lay eggs thats why the pinkys but the whites fat pockets are not there any more at the base of her tale and on top of her head i have a reptasun 10 that is shared on 2 10 gallon tanks and yes there all 3 seprate from one another hence the word quarantine with a 100 watt heat lamp and paper towels as substrate all the lights are shared the basking area is 97 deg and im slowy incressing it as to not put them in shock any mor then they are the tank that they where in didnt have uvbuva only a 60 wat heat lamp the white one is eatign more tryed to eat a pinky but couldent chew it so she just killed it anythign you puy on there nose they just rub off dont even try to lick it. im not in the UK hopers are just larger then fuzzys and flash s space between his eyes is 1 1/2 inch he is "HUGE" but hes not the problum we raised him for a hatchling he wouldent still be alive if i was doing somhting wrong or he would be in the same state as the girls im just trying to get them helthy so i can take them to the vet and get the deworm meds for them if they need it asumeign the worst they need it
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BLack
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White
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TANK TEMP
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EGGS 1
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EGGS 2
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EGG Temp useing a K-type probe this temp gun can display 3 temps at the same time the bottom temp is the reading from the K-type probe
for some reasion the word filter is not leting me post the pics the ***** are A S S so change them to see them i dont knwo how to post pics on here there is no where to upload them from and my websites URL is aparently not accpeted by this fourm sorry

 

[demonsmomma]

hey since black and white are to smal for pinkies ,,try the oxbow carnivore i had it for ym sick lil demon and the vet said its mirace stuff i fed it max when i first got him to help him snap out fo relocation stress and it worked wonders, i think you can get it from the pet stores or from your local vet thats where i got it from its a powder and you put warm water in it and then just syringe feed them, you may need to shove the syringe down their throats so they get the food , as they need the protein right now ..
and i heard bearded dragons are not suppose to get anythig bigger than a fuzzy max is eating pinkies once a week right now and the vet said i can go to a fuzzy but no bigger but like you said hes no dead or sick so you must be doing stuff right lol

 

[CKY]

hey since black and white are to smal for pinkies ,,try the oxbow carnivore

what is that

 

[country]

Hi. What type of babyfood have you tried with your beardie? Mine likes applesauce, peas and squash. I mix in some calcium too. They will eventually lick it off if you put a chunk on their mouth. Also, when they open their mouths, slice up some thin strawberries or carrots and stick it in there! I also get the large crickets in a can and he will eat alot of them. It does take alot of patience. My beardie is somewhat diabled and I do have to hand feed him.

 

[Drache613]

Hello,

Where are you located, the US or Australia? When you say you have a black dragon, is that literal? We don't have black dragons in the US. We have "white" ones, but no black ones.
The oxbow critical care is a powdered supplement that helps replenish vital nutrients into very ill reptiles. Vets usually have something like that or at least an equivalent to that type of product.
When they are in that bad of shape, you want to be very careful about giving too much protein & fat all at once because you don't know the condition of the kidneys. If they have been kept in subpar conditions & are dehydrated badly, giving too much protein too quickly will cause renal failure. Try greens & veggies slurries right now, with just a small amount of chicken or turkey babyfood. That will be much easier for them to digest readily, along with oral fluids, too.
You are not planning on housing the male with the two females, are you?

Tracie

 

[CKY]

What type of babyfood have you tried with your beardie?

gerber chicken

Where are you located, the US or Australia? When you say you have a black dragon, is that literal? We don't have black dragons in the US. We have "white" ones, but no black ones.

she is black refer to the image of black and we are in the us

The oxbow critical care is a powdered supplement that helps replenish vital nutrients into very ill reptiles. Vets usually have something like that or at least an equivalent to that type of product.

no vets here know what im talking about never hered of anthing like it let alone a pinky pump

Try greens & veggies slurries right now, with just a small amount of chicken or turkey babyfood. That will be much easier for them to digest readily, along with oral fluids, too.

what if i where to gutload the feder crickets that they will eat 10 of a day with somehting and what could i gutload them with they wont eat anymore then 10 crickets 5 at a time and 3 hours aprt

the issue im haveing is the syringes i have dont have anyway to put a neddel on them or anyhtign for that matter there short and used for liquid meds for large pets only size i could get and that was from a feed store not even a vet so im not sure how to feed her

if you are haveing probs viewing the images i can see about puting them on rapid share or something