Dubia Roaches

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Taffer

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Skipper, where do you live? If you're close enough I'd sell you my entire Dubia bin set up minus the foot warmer. I'm just north of Richmond, VA. (edit - never mind...I saw in your profile you're in Chicago).

Smart move starting your own roach colony. Personally, I really enjoy the process of breeding them (although I don't help that "process" directly LOL).

First, the glass (if clean) is too slick for the roaches to climb, but the silicon in the corners has enough traction for the younger nymphs to climb out, so make sure you put some slick tape around the top so you don't get any escapees.

If you want to start a Dubia colony, Dubia Deli out of California is a good place to start. I bought 25 females and 10 males, and they also provide a 1 time "free" roach sample package, up to 3 different sizes, that can be pretty much any size besides breeders, so you can have a few sub-adults that will grow and start breeding in a month or two. Shipping is ~$7.

I linked a good ebay seller above named Amanda (username Aman-Bent), which is linked above in one of my posts. She can sell you different amounts if you ask her. She has a sell group for 200, but if you order 400 you can still pay the single shipping price and save a little money. She includes a heat pack in her shipments, oats, carrots and shipping is ~$7. Just send her a message. She's a sweetheart to work with and has always answered pretty quickly.

If you want Orange Head roaches instead, Rankins listed a seller above. I found a guy on Ebay that sells 100 Orange Head roaches (75 female, 25 male) for $50. I'm not sure if that is any better than the ABDragons that Rankins mentioned off the top of my head.

Egg crates you buy with your eggs from the store will work fine...just save a few with the wood pulp over the next few weeks and you'll have enough to keep you going until your colony grows. Agricultural stores like The Tractor Supply Store sell them as well for <$0.40 each. These are not the big egg crates we linked above, but they work fine.

I've not used a CHE to heat a bin before so I don't know how to answer, but I'd suspect you'd still want to get some kind of thermostat to make sure you don't overheat and cook your roaches. Dead roaches don't breed very fast in my experience. :laughhard:

Were you going to put cardboard all the way around the aquarium to keep it dark? That would also provide some insulation as well as darken the aquarium.

If you order crickets, they usually come with some buffalo beetles. Just salvage those and they will multiply. If not, Dubia Deli sells 60 buffalo beetles for maybe $2.00? I don't recall the exact price, but it wasn't much. I think I'd still get the beetles with a small scale colony for the added protection from fly eggs, and they cut down on the time between cleaning by eating the frass (roach poop). Actually, I think they only eat the undigested grains and such in the frass, but it still reduces the frass and helps maintain odor control. My small colony started over the Thanksgiving weekend and I can't smell anything worth mentioning, and I have a very sensitive nose. What I smell is probably the food, the egg crates or the bin, but it's definitely not anything I'd consider offensive.

The food options you listed look good. Rankins gave a good list above of what he feeds and he has been at this for a while. I also read mango pits are loved by roaches as well as avocado, carrots, potatoes and so forth. They will eat almost anything, just make sure to remove anything before it molds. You may want to gut load them for 3 days before feeding them to your dragon. I read that their intestines take 3 days to fully flush with whatever you are gut loading somewhere. This is a good thing because they are more effective gut loaders than crickets...I think crickets intestines empty out in less than 24 hours so there is not much 'gut load' in the cricket by comparison.

You could lower temps to slow reproduction, or if you know of any other reptile owners or arachnid owners in the local area, you could sell off the excess and quickly pay for your bin and food. The local pet store may take them, or possibly trade them for pet supplies. It depends on the individual manager really. The local pet store manager was willing to take the excess crickets off my hands before when they were larger than I wanted to feed to my bearded dragon, so when I reach that point I'll go down that path again and see what I can barter. I'd probably start by giving them away for free, and after a few times see if they would be willing to trade me some goods for my efforts. :idea:

From what I've read you would like to keep your humidity about 60% or higher. When you cut the holes in your bin, save them and tape them back in place after you cover the holes with the screen. A small colony will not be able to maintain the heat and humidity as well as a larger one, so as the colony grows you can uncover more of the holes. I struggled with my humidity until I put tape over my holes, and since then I've removed a little for air flow while still keeping 60%+ humidity. The real tell-tale sign of your humidity being too low is if you see several dead roaches that die during the molting process.

Moist food will likely be enough moisture intake for the roaches if you always keep moist food in the bin, but I use water crystals for a few reasons. 1) they are cheap, 2) a small bag lasts forever 3) with or without moist food, they help raise the humidity in the bin, 4) it is a back up moisture source for when the moist food is gone, dried up, or just flat out absent from the provider being lazy. :twisted:
 

Skipper7

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Thank you, Taffer.

That probably is a bit too far to ship haha. Thanks for the tip on the silicone. Does anyone else have input on DubiDeli? They look good but I've seen some awful reviews for them on here and elsewhere. Has anyone heard of or ordered from http://store.kfcfeeders.com/products/250-large-dubia-nymphs ? They are VERY cheap. I'll check out the eBay seller as well.

How hard is it to maintain 60% humidity? Can the water crystals do this alone? Also, do I need to replace the screen top with something else? Will it be too hard to keep humidity with screen?

Could someone link me to a good thermostat and/or under tank heater? I don't use either for Skipper and don't know which are good. Does it matter how I heat the tank as long as its in the correct temp range?

Maybe I could bargain for some new lights with extra roaches :twisted:
 

Taffer

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Skipper7":1ppkqamn said:
Does anyone else have input on DubiDeli? They look good but I've seen some awful reviews for them on here and elsewhere. Has anyone heard of or ordered from http://store.kfcfeeders.com/products/250-large-dubia-nymphs ? They are VERY cheap. I'll check out the eBay seller as well.

I've not seen them, but the price doesn't look bad if they are truly large Dubia. The small/medium I received from Amanda are 1/2" to 3/4" long, and 200 for $12, or you can contact her directly for better pricing on a larger order. She may have larger roaches...I haven't thought to ask. As for Dubia Deli, I've only ordered from them the one time I think, or maybe the breeders and buffalo beetles were a second order, but my limited experience was OK. The reason I won't use them again is A) they are in California and I'm in Virginia. Both shipments were shipped out on Wednesday, causing them to be held at the local Post Office over the weekend. I prefer to minimize delivery time on live insects where I can, and 2) Amanda's roaches are closer and cheaper...plus Dubia Deli ships their roaches in burlap with nothing for food/moisture, which isn't too bad until you try to remove the roaches from the burlap. Those suckers hold on like Spider-Man on a wall. It's NUTS! For roaches that can't climb too well, they stick to burlap like it is Velcro. Amanda ships in small plastic containers with a heat pack, oats and carrots so all I have to do is dump them into the bin and I'm done. Aside from the Post Office shipping issue mentioned earlier in this thread, the roaches survived well from both sources.

Skipper7":1ppkqamn said:
How hard is it to maintain 60% humidity? Can the water crystals do this alone? Also, do I need to replace the screen top with something else? Will it be too hard to keep humidity with screen?

With a colony as small as mine, I keep the side vent holes mostly covered and the top covered, and just having the water crystals is enough to keep about 70% humidity in my small batch of roaches that had mold all over them. In my big bin I had taped the holes I cut the side holes, and shortly after I covered the holes with tape, I had to open the sides a little more because the humidity was reaching 80% or higher, so I had to circulate a little more air through to lower the humidity down a touch. So yes, you'd need to replace the screen top with something else. You could try putting a flat piece of cardboard over the top and putting a little weight around the edges to create a slightly better seal if you need. If you are using a UTH and you need more humidity, seal the top better, and if that isn't enough, just move the water crystals over the UTH so the water evaporates a little faster and that should be plenty. My UTH (the Cozy foot warmer) runs the entire length of my bin (and then some) so I have no issues with humidity.

Skipper7":1ppkqamn said:
Could someone link me to a good thermostat and/or under tank heater? I don't use either for Skipper and don't know which are good. Does it matter how I heat the tank as long as its in the correct temp range? Maybe I could bargain for some new lights with extra roaches :twisted:

Here are the (3) cheapest I saw...one with no reviews, and two with pretty good reviews. They all have pretty much the same electronics, so look at reviews/warranties.

https://www.amazon.com/Thermostat-T...83474983&sr=1-22&keywords=Heat+Mat+Thermostat

https://www.amazon.com/Apollo-Horti...83475011&sr=1-26&keywords=Heat+Mat+Thermostat

https://www.amazon.com/VIVOSUN-Digi...83475011&sr=1-28&keywords=Heat+Mat+Thermostat
 

Rankins

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Got a bit of a flu...so gonna keep it a bit short.
Taffer...the 161 day incubation is for my Mexican beaded lizards. They can take 220 days to hatch. Bearded dragons only incubate for about 2 months.
I'll try to get to the rest of this thread when the flu gets a bit better.....
 

Skipper7

Juvie Member
Hmmm... It might be a while before I can convine the family that breeding roaches is a good idea :lol:

If I just order a few hundred for feeding what do I need to do to make them last?
 

Taffer

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Skipper7":2neuraht said:
Hmmm... It might be a while before I can convine the family that breeding roaches is a good idea :lol:

If I just order a few hundred for feeding what do I need to do to make them last?

Just feed them the same things as were mentioned above. Gut load a batch a few days (3 or more) if you want to gut load with something other than what you are feeding the roaches for day to day.

Rankins is sick...and out of it. He posted a thermostat in response to the questions above, but it was in the Ivory Head roaches thread. Here is what he posted. Odd, I did a search based on price and overlooked this one somehow. :banghead:

Hope you get over the flu quickly Rankins!

https://www.amazon.com/iPower-GLHTM...=1483493389&ref=plSrch&ref_=mp_s_a_1_1&sr=8-1
 

Taffer

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Skipper...I'm rethinking about having cardboard over the top of the aquarium. It would probably work fine for a while but I don't know if the higher than normal humidity would cause the cardboard to eventually sag. Depending on how it was secured to the top, I'd sure hate to see it sag, fall into the aquarium and you come find out most of your colony has escaped into the house. From what I've read these are no the type of roach that infest, but just that thought would be a little disconcerting. You could use tie wraps to secure the cardboard to the mesh screen cover to help this from happening.
 

Skipper7

Juvie Member
I'm also thinking about putting Saran Wrap over the screen and poking some holes in for air flow. I may also pull tha actual screen out of the top and glue a piece of plastic or plywood with holes on.
 

Taffer

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Skipper7":2gx48863 said:
I'm also thinking about putting Saran Wrap over the screen and poking some holes in for air flow. I may also pull tha actual screen out of the top and glue a piece of plastic or plywood with holes on.

Skipper, I'm all for reusing and recycling, but for the cost, would it not be easier to buy a plastic bin with a lid that fit? It's lighter, and you would be able to easily cut the holes in the sides and lid where you can't cut glass (not as easily as thin plastic anyway). Although you probably won't need much ventilation until the colony grows, but who wants to cut holes in a bin with a colony inside LOL? You wouldn't need to worry about covering the sides to block out light either. If you do buy a bin, aim for one that has a depth of 18 inches or greater. My bin is about 16" deep and with when you eventually start using the egg crate flats turned vertically, having the extra room on top gives you room to put another egg crate on top horizontally for food, and a dish or two, and give a comfortable gap between that egg crate flat and the lid. My lid is barely high enough...so every time I take off the lid to feed them, I always feel the need to double check the underside of the lid. I doubt they could climb onto the lid. Scratch that, I just tested that theory and they can't hold onto the lid anyway. Maybe I should have done that little test weeks ago. :laughhard: :laughhard: :laughhard: :laughhard:
 

Skipper7

Juvie Member
Lol, yes. I'll just go buy one. I may even have one in the house somewhere. It'll probably be two weeks before I put everything together. Thanks for the help.
 

Rankins

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If your able to start a colony eventually you'll need good ventilation. The container gets pretty humid the more roaches you have. That's why I had to put a fan in a couple of my Colman cooler bins. I didn't want to put more holes in them because cosmetically it wouldn't look nice. My orange head colony is so large the fan comes on every 15 mins, for 15 mins.
(Edit...for got to say thanks for the well wishes for the speedy recovery from the flu. I took zinc tablets as soon as I started feeling sick. So three days later I'm almost over the flu!! So if any of you start having cold symptoms zinc really works :) )
 

Rankins

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Got my egg crates from www.eggboxes.com today, 140 should last awhile :)
I'm going to buy more to take to the expo. Most sellers sell flats for $1 each, so I'll price mine at $.75 each :)
 

Rankins

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More good news, my ventilated roach cups got shipped today from Black Jungle also. It was about $40 for 50 cups shipped. Kind of expensive, but the cheapest I could find.
Looks like I'm pretty much set up for the expo, just wish my beaded lizard eggs would hatch. They are the most important thing I need.
 

Taffer

Hatchling Member
Sorry, a day late and a dollar short on cheap, bulk containers, but maybe for the future Rankins...

These may or may not be sub-par compared to what you bought, but even if you have to put a strip of tape over the lid for security it may save you money for the future. These do not have holes in the lids already, but a 1/4" drill bit and you could drill 10 at a time and fix that quickly. :idea:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01I8AQJTY?psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/Plastic-Food...br_lf_m_fueebxvtd2n54xu_ttl?ie=UTF8&s=kitchen

https://www.amazon.com/Glad-Food-St...754&sr=8-23&keywords=small+plastic+containers

8-32 ounce size is the same price - https://www.amazon.com/Paksh-Novelt...754&sr=8-30&keywords=small+plastic+containers

https://www.amazon.com/Containers-P...70&sr=8-106&keywords=small+plastic+containers

Glad you are feeling better! My wife starts giving me all kinds of stuff when I finally get the flu, and I belive it also contains Zinc!

I'm not sure what zinc does to a virus, but I know it is toxic to bacteria, thus why people put zinc strips on their roofs to help stop the dark roof stains, which are caused by bacteria (even though many mistakenly refer to it as an algae, including shingle manufactures). Copper is about 10x more toxic to bacteria than zinc, so I wonder if copper would help fight off a virus too?

Best of luck at the reptile expo! When and where is this event?

Also, it may be beneficial to make a little safety notification on your egg crates saying they are 100% new from recycled paper, baked into the mold, killing all virus and parasites, not recycled from a store where they could be at risk of bringing a parasite or some other pest insect into the house, or risk bringing salmonella into the home from previously broken eggs. That may boost your sales. :D

Also, is your humidity fan on a timer, or set up on a humidity sensor similar to the thermostat?
 
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