Coccida treatment?

[annieoakley123]

hes been off the albon since i started this topic...I need to take in a fecal soon anyway to see what his counts are and possibly to gety blood work done. He is still not eating but he allows the syringe feedins willingly. I have been hand feeding him for quite a while now. I started after a few days of the beginning treatment for both coccida and pin worms.

 

[Drache613]

Hello,

Are you still giving the soy yogurt daily right now? Continue giving that for a couple of weeks to help him out.
Are all of his temps optimal for him?
Sometimes it takes them awhile to come back after being medicated. I would definitely get another fecal soon to have it checked out to make sure that the levels have come down.
You could also try some bee pollen & brewer's yeast to help with the appetite.

Tracie

 

[rin0425]

Hi, im a certified vet tech and the best way I know to help with your problem(s) may be as simple as phoenix worms. The panacur will have dealt with the pin worms but the albon treatment can be ineffective as a rule...especially in herps. Th phoenix worm is high in lauric acid which is a natural tratment for coccidia which can eliminate the protazoa, and it is also a great worm to entice dragons to feed even if they dont feel well. Just take it slow and give them one at a time, ensuring that he chews each one. Otherwise you may notice pieces or even whole worms in his stool. If that happens, stabbing the worm with a pin just before feeding will break thru the shell and allow the dragon juices to do their thing. My only question is did they identify the type of coccidia? The eimeria form is generally non-pathogenic...meaning no adverse signs or symptoms occur, whereas isospora and I. ohioensis can cause diarrhea and blood in the feces. and in my opinion the albon just made things worse. I AM NOT A DOCTOR, but I do have a lot of knowledge and exprience in this department. I hope things get better for you...
Aaron

 

[annieoakley123]

thanks! i didn't know there were different forms of coccida. they did not mention it. I just ordered all kinds of worms for my new addition arriving thursday, i wish i ordered the Phoenix worms!!! Hes not really into worms just yet (when he had a normal appetite) he did eat like 2 after 2 days of treatment. how much of the bee pollen and brewers yeast do i give him? Does it come in a packet at the grocery store? I need to buy some more yogurt cause i think the other one is spoiled now. He does look better than when i left him. I took him out yesterday and he was jumping and running away from me on my arm and in his bath. He did also allow 2 feedings of the reptiaid, he loves that stuff!!! I need to try the baby food and see how he likes it.
I am also going to take a fecal in once i see a semi normal poo from him. I dont think hes completely digesting anything....but now that he has some food in him Ill see if there is any improvement.

 

[Drache613]

Hello,

Yes, there are different forms of coccidia, but, normally the Albon will be effective for most of the types or it has been thus far. There are also other drugs that are anticoccidial such as Ponazuril or Baycox that can be good as well. The Isospora is the most commonly found one & usually is treated by Albon at least from every case I have seen. That is what most vets seem to use with a high degree of success. It is just a harsh medication on the system & reptiles do not always need a lot of the medications that are given.
I don't think the Albon made anything worse really, but as all drugs usually do is mess up the GI normal bacteria flora which makes it harder for them to digest any foods. That is why we recommend probiotics be taken when they are on antibiotics.
I have never heard of phoenix worms being used to treat high levels of coccidia. While they are easy to digest, I don't know if they would quite be the cure all. That would be an interesting study, however. :study: Thanks, Aaron, that was interesting. Do you have any information on actual cases you have witnessed perhaps that were successful? I was just wondering. We all like to see alternatives to drug intervention whenever necessary.
Parazap is an all natural herbal remedy that is sometimes used to expedite the flushing out of parasites & worms but does not kill them. It just help keep everything in check.
I would also continue to use probiotics as well, to help out her system.

Tracie

 

[annieoakley123]

I am still giving him the soy yogurt, how much does he need a day to be effective? I try and add in about a fourth cc. I have him a little more than half cc feedings twice a day. Today he looked wonderful. He still has no appetite but i saw him eyeing a cricket!!! He is holding himself up really well and running around before he goes to bed right on time.
Before april 20th-

Today

thats his usual sleeping position...

 

[annieoakley123]

I ordered some butterworms and decided to give them a try for little snuggles. He ATE THEM!!! he also ate his greens. I think he is on his way back to recovery. I am still going to give him reptiaid with calcium until then. I hope he will continue on his road to recovery. He has been through a lot since then.