thanx beardednoob u have been very helpful i couldnt get that picture on for the life of me . My male and female are in the same viv so it might be the reflection he jumps at, he is quite boystrouse with the female but not enough to seperate i dont think just a randy little bugger! lol. I might try the honey remody but seriouse does this look to u guys im hoping not mouth rot. Temp on basking side is 95-105 cool side is 75-85 thanx for replys