beardie not growing! andd question about feeding

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i have had my adult beardie fester for 7 months now and she/he is 13-14".she was a year old when i got her/him and is the ideal lizard. she/he grows fast and basks well she/he even drinks from a bowl, she/he eats her vedgies and is doing really well. my baby beardie little bit which i am hoping is male ( check out "can you help sex my beardies?" on the breeding forum- really need help with it! lol-) is approx 9 inches at 4 months old and since i got her/him in febuary this year, he/she has only barely grown an inch! is 9 inches a good size at 4 months?

one last question about feeding... how many crickets should each of my lizards consume in a day?
 

Ethelia

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9 inches is really quite small for a 4 month old. Are you measuring nose to tip of tail?
 

redflea13

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feed as many crickets as she will eat in five minutes 2 to three times daily for growing babies. adults only need them a couple times a week.
 

Embee

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I would agree that your beardie is running small for age.

What are you using for UVB, type AND brand? Also, what are the tank temps running and what are you using to gauge temps?

Indeed, feed 2-3 times per day as many as beardie will eat in 10-15 minutes. About how much is your beardie eating, btw? Most healthy young beardies will consume 50-100 feeders per day.

Thanks,
Em
 

rockstar1992

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i messed up in the intro. fester was 1 month old when i got him and yes iv confirmed hes a male :D ermmm little bit has grown a little but not a substancial amount! shes definatly plumping out thou! ermmm im not sure to be honest. i know its reptiglow but im not sure which one (im guessin 5.0) its 28c on the warm side and 23 on the cool side. is that okay? i use a thermostat to control the temps but atm i dont have a thermometer
. but i check the thermostat is workin every month with a household thermometer. well i normally feed them 5 in the morning and 5 at night but i also give them a good helping of worms and vegetables that they both happilly eat as much as they can which is gooooood :D lol i didnt feed them any crickets yesterday due to me running out and it was a bank holiday but i still gave them worms and veggies. im going to pick some crickets up in a minute when i get home.

thanks for your help
 

Embee

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rockstar1992":643f7 said:
i messed up in the intro. fester was 1 month old when i got him and yes iv confirmed hes a male :D ermmm little bit has grown a little but not a substancial amount! shes definatly plumping out thou! ermmm im not sure to be honest. i know its reptiglow but im not sure which one (im guessin 5.0) its 28c on the warm side and 23 on the cool side. is that okay? i use a thermostat to control the temps but atm i dont have a thermometer
. but i check the thermostat is workin every month with a household thermometer. well i normally feed them 5 in the morning and 5 at night but i also give them a good helping of worms and vegetables that they both happilly eat as much as they can which is gooooood :D lol i didnt feed them any crickets yesterday due to me running out and it was a bank holiday but i still gave them worms and veggies. im going to pick some crickets up in a minute when i get home.

thanks for your help

You're welcome. :) If your bulb is a ReptiGlo, you definitely want to check and find out exactly which one. The ReptiGlo 10.0 tube has been problematic for some dragons, and has been linked to low appetite, lethargy, slow growth and eye issues. Here is more on the bulb here: http://www.beardeddragon.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=101703&p=793076&hilit=ReptiGlo+10.0#p793076. When it comes to replace your UVB tube, I highly recommend swapping it out for a ReptiSun 10.0 tube.

As to his feeding, what kind of worms are you offering him? Mealworms? If so, please note that along with not offering much nutrition and being too high in fat, mealworms are also an impaction risk due to their chitin shell. There are a few excellent worms that can be used as a staple for young dragons such phoenix and silks. Like I mentioned before, dragon should be offered live feeders 2-3 times per day as many as he will eat in 10-15 minutes. However, it is important to use feeders that are suitable to use as staples such as: crickets, roaches, and the worms mentioned above. Veggies are great, but growing dragons need TONS of protein. :mrgreen: Here is an excellent resource list for feeding your dragon (do's and don'ts): http://www.beautifuldragons.503xtreme.com/Nutrition.html. Are you dusting with calcium, and vites?

As to your temps, with the thermostat, what are they running then? Are you taking a temp DIRECTLY UNDER the basking light/on the basking surface? It is important to know the exact basking temps in the tank, and gauge them regularly for optimum conditions for proper digestion and for the safety of your dragon. :)

The best,
Em
 

rockstar1992

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repti glow 5.0 but i will look into that link cause im due a change. i have one more question and its a biggie, can you explain what lights i need in the viv and how often they need to be on, cause i reelly dont understand what people are on about with MVBs and that lot :? atm i have a reptiglow 5.0 tube light and a red household bulb for heat. what else do i need? im pretty sure that they are meal worms and i will also look into getting some silworms as i have read that they have very good nutritional value. i use crickets and locusts for littlebit but fester is slightly more fussy and prefers a larger amount of crickets. i do dust the worms and veggies but not the crix. should i? im not sure what the stuff i but i know it contains calcium and phosphorus and is siuatble for beardies according to the tub... at the weekend i will pick up 2 thermostats 1 for either end of the viv so i know the exact temps all the time but i know they stay around that and do not drop at night. as my house tends to be warm lol

thanks again
 

Embee

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rockstar1992":1610d said:
repti glow 5.0 but i will look into that link cause im due a change. i have one more question and its a biggie, can you explain what lights i need in the viv and how often they need to be on, cause i reelly dont understand what people are on about with MVBs and that lot :? atm i have a reptiglow 5.0 tube light and a red household bulb for heat. what else do i need? im pretty sure that they are meal worms and i will also look into getting some silworms as i have read that they have very good nutritional value. i use crickets and locusts for littlebit but fester is slightly more fussy and prefers a larger amount of crickets. i do dust the worms and veggies but not the crix. should i? im not sure what the stuff i but i know it contains calcium and phosphorus and is siuatble for beardies according to the tub... at the weekend i will pick up 2 thermostats 1 for either end of the viv so i know the exact temps all the time but i know they stay around that and do not drop at night. as my house tends to be warm lol

thanks again

I'm not aware of a ReptiGlo 5.0, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. :mrgreen: There is a ReptiSun 5.0 which is a safe bulb, but only "ok" in terms of UVB emissions. Indeed, you want to replace the tube UVB every 5-6 months and I highly recommend you follow the above link to the ReptiSun 10.0 tube. I can't say enough how important quality UVB is for a beardie. For a growing beardie, it can make all the difference.

As to the lighting, it sounds like you've gone the more traditional route of tube UVB (the ReptiGlo), with a basking heat lamp. That is a fine way to go so long as it meets beardies needs. That said, beardies have NO need for colored bulbs. They require BRIGHT WHITE LIGHT for their heat lamp, so you will want to replace the red bulb with a bright white incandescent (either basking type specific, or household bulb, so long as it gives you proper temps). The bright light white is important for UVA and optimum health. Additionally, it guards beardie's eyes from the UVB rays. Atop your tank, you want the two bulbs to align at the basking end as follows:


_____________tube
0 basking bulb

...so that beardie has benefit of both while basking. When you get a ReptiSun 10.0 tube, you will want beardie to be able to get within 6-8 inches of the bulb (but no closer) for optimum calcium processing/D3 synthesis.

You asked about MVBs. An optional lighting/heating route for tanks 40 gallons and larger is a Mercury Vapor Bulb (MVB), which houses UVA/UVB/HEAT all in one bulb. Basically, it eliminates the need for the two bulb system (UVB plus basking). If you would like more information on MVB's I would be happy to provide it. A UVB tube and basking bulb together can work very well however, provided they are giving beardie what he needs in terms of UVB emissions and temps. :)

As to a thermometer, one will do so long as it has a sensor probe you can move about the viv. This is actually the ideal way to go. A thermometer at either end of the tank still will not give you the temps DIRECTLY UNDER the basking bulb, which is very important to know for the health and safety of your beardie. TIP: there is an inexpensive digital with probe carried by WalMart. It's made by "Accurite" and it's about $12. It also has a built in hygrometer for gauging humidity which should be running 30-50%. When gauging the basking temps, place the probe end onto the basking surface, DIRECTLY under that NEW bright white light :wink: for a full 45 minutes BEFORE reading temp.

Indeed, I'd nix the meal worms. Silks are great, as well as phoenix if you prefer worms as a staple to crickets. The phoenix are particularly easy to care for in that they need no feeding. In addition, they are super high in natural calcium which is wonderful for growing beardies. http://www.phoenixworms.com.

Please feel free to ask more questions! :D

The best,
Em
 

rockstar1992

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wow i feel like i know it all:p i will be able to geet much more in september when im college but atm its hard cause my dad pays for everything and were not particulally well-off :roll: i read somewhere that the red bulbs are better to keep the temmps up at night if needed as the beardie cannot actually see the colour when asleep which has to be one plus side. is this not true?

as i walked around my local petshop the other day, i seen a pack of dead worms, -what they feed birds- correct me if im wrongbut arnt they pheonix worms and if so are they safe to feed to my beardie?

basically i just get what they havee at the store i go as it is local and has a small section for reptiles. but all they sell are crickets small & medium brown, locusts big small & medium, superworms and mealworms. thatts litterally it! im pretty sure they sell grubs aswell but there is like 10 in a pack and they cost like £5 so have never tried them. im from england so i wouldnt be able to get the digital thermometer but they must sell atleast something like it over hear. il keeped my eyes peeled

thanks again
 

spurlee01

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Many companies claim that red bulbs are fine for night because lizards can't see them, but this is not true with beardies. Beardies can see the red light and it keeps them awake. You only need a night heat source if it get below 65*F. I have no idea what that is in celcius, sorry. If the temps do drop below this, there is a type of bulb that provides only heat, no light. Someone else will have to tell you more about that because I've never had to use them. I would not trust any type of dead worm with a beardie. Most of us in the US have to order worms from the internet, hopefully someone in England can give you a link for a good worm site.
Hope this helps,
Sara
 

rockstar1992

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oh okay. i dont ever use it, its just there as "just in case" sort of measure but it seems i need alot of stuff to get when im in college. well il type it in on google and hope fpr the best bout the worms lol

thanks for your help
 
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