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Spider8ait1994

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@Drache613
Yeah I think he’s definitely bounced back from the biopsy and he’s been doing a lot more moving around his enclosure than he has in a while which is great.
He’s still happy to eat his smoothies to get his greens and again was able to eat some mealworms with my help getting them in his mouth.
He’ll be fasting tomorrow in preparation for the surgery the next day.
Additionally I was also able to get a link to his CT scan as well as a document of the findings from the scan which had the benefit of confirming that the mottling in his lung region that was picked up on by the X-rays his regular vet did isn’t anything to worry about as the lungs are normal.
Attached here is that document and a link to the CT scan should anyone here want to take a look.


Spike CT 1st August 2023
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Spider8ait1994

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Just dropped him off for the proceedure so the specialist says that the actual proceedure will likely begin in the afternoon and they’ll call me later today with an update on how he’s going.
Given the location there is significant risk since it’s a tight spot in close proximity to vital structures.
It does seem like the mass has potentially grown some in the past week but they’ll be able to know for sure when they get in there.
The intention is to remove as much of the mass as they can with the goal to hopefully get it all.
He’ll have a feeding tube placed just to make getting nutrition a bit easier for him while he’s recovering and he’ll likely come home tomorrow.
They also told me that regarding post operative checkups and the eventual removal of the feeding tube I can just attend his usual vet for those to save having to make more long drives.
They’ve also told me that with what they know about this sort of tumor at the moment the chances of it returning in the future after being excused is around 20-35% so all things considered I am happy with those odds and if this proceedure is a success it’ll make him a whole lot more comfortable since at the moment the tumor is pressing on the oesophagus and beginning to press on the trachea so removing it will likely improve his eating ability and prevent airway obstruction.
Size-wise the surgeon told me that for a human the equivalent would be is having a tennis ball sitting in our throat which isn’t something I’d consider pleasant.
Also took some ‘before’ photos yesterday evening of him as reference to the external appearance of the mass. He is a bit cranky in these photos because he hadn’t eaten all day and I’d taken him out of his warm enclosure to get some good lighting.
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Drache613

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Hello,

Bless him, he is such a trooper! Those are actually pretty good odds so maybe, it just WONT come
back at all. Hopefully he will do really well! We are all pulling for him, too.
I'm sure that it isn't comfortable where it is sitting so he will feel a lot better once it's been removed!
Thanks so much for all of the vet notes, analysis, etc, I love reading through it. You are so lucky to
have found a caring & knowledgeable vet, they are hard to come by these days.
Overall though, his physical condition looks very good so he has that going for him, absolutely.

Keep us posted & let us know how he is once he is out of surgery.

Tracie
 

Spider8ait1994

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Hello,

Bless him, he is such a trooper! Those are actually pretty good odds so maybe, it just WONT come
back at all. Hopefully he will do really well! We are all pulling for him, too.
I'm sure that it isn't comfortable where it is sitting so he will feel a lot better once it's been removed!
Thanks so much for all of the vet notes, analysis, etc, I love reading through it. You are so lucky to
have found a caring & knowledgeable vet, they are hard to come by these days.
Overall though, his physical condition looks very good so he has that going for him, absolutely.

Keep us posted & let us know how he is once he is out of surgery.

Tracie
I’ll definitely keep this thread updated with what’s going on because since this is a rarer tumor of my documenting this stuff can help anyone else who ends up in a similar situation that would be great.
So as of writing this reply he’s been in surgery for about 2 hours. I haven’t heard anything more yet so I’m hoping this is a case of no news is good news.
One of the nurses is going to contact me when he’s in recovery.
They have decided that they’ll place a feeding tube for him just to make it a bit easier to get him nutrition while he’s recovering and stated that if all goes well it’s likely he’ll be able to come home tomorrow.
They’ve also told me that they’re happy for him to see his regular vet do any post-operative checkups and the eventual removal of the feeding tube to save us having to make more long drives.
Some other information I’ve found a bit interesting is that during my research on tumors in general and whether diet adjustments can have an effect on symptoms and such I did find consistent documentation that eating cruciferous greens can aid in improving symptoms and I have realised that kale and collard greens fall under that category of greens plus both of those plants are things I’ve been growing and feeding him so I don’t know that would have inadvertantly helped keep his physical condition as good as it is what with the tumor but it’s definitely some info I found interesting and figured I’d mention here on the chance it did do some good for him.
 

Spider8ait1994

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Just got a call from the head surgeon and it’s great news.
He was under anaesthesia for 3 hours which is pretty long for a bearded dragon but the proceedure was a success and went mostly to the original plan.
They went in from the outside as opposed to going in through the mouth so I’m told he has a ~5cm incision in the throat region and a feeding tube on his left side.
When they got in there they found that the tumor had stuck to part of the oesophagus so they did end up removing a part of the oesophagus and then reconstructing it so he has some internal stitches too.
Over the course of the proceedure he lost a mild to moderate amount of blood so they’re monitoring him closely tonight and if needed will bring in a reptile blood donor for him.
It sounded like he’s waking up well too which is great.
Because of the reconstruction aspect of the proceedure he will be a bit delicate during the healing process so I am planning on modifying his enclosure while he’s recovering by removing his climbing wall to keep him down on the ground, removing probably most of the decor and adding in some extra padding just so he’s not trying to climb and bumping himself around in there.
If all goes well it’ll be 4 weeks when the feeding tube is removed but the surgeon has said that he does believe Spike has a very good prognosis.
Next planned contact will be tomorrow morning when they’ll let me know if he’s able to come home but if anything happens during the night they will let me know.
 

Spider8ait1994

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Just bought him home he’s not quite back to his usual self but he is lifting his head and looking at stuff but I am expecting him to be pretty sleepy and inactive for a time.
Here is a transcript of the post-op care the specialist has given me and also attached to this reply are some photos of him back home and some photos of the formula I’ve been given to make for him.

Discharge instructions for Spike

Spike underwent a general anaesthetic for surgical excision of a submandibular and intraoral chromatophoroma at Small Animal Special Hospital with the Exotics and Surgery departments. Overall the surgery went well with successful excision of the mass. However, due to invasion of the tumour into the oesophagus, in order to excise the mass, the oesophagus was cut into and as such did require a reconstruction. Additionally, Spike also had an esophageal feeding tube placed. This tube feeds directly into the stomach, bypassing the need to feed via the oral cavity, thus reducing the risk of post-surgical healing complications associated with the ceseophageal surgical reconstruction.

Spike has recovered well from the anaesthetic, and as such is being discharged today to continue with his post operative recovery at home. The following medications have been dispensed for Spike Please READ THE LABEL CAREFULLY and ensure that all medication is administered as instructed. If you are experiencing any difficulty in dosing him please contact us for advice.

Medications:
05-09-2023

Meloxicam Pain relief
0.5mg/ml
Please give 0.22 ml via stomach tube once every second day until recheck (next dose due 7/9/2023 evening)

05-09-2023
Tramadol 100Mg/MI Pain relief
Drops
Please give 0.06 ml via stomach tube once every second day until recheck (next dose due 8/9/2023 morning)

05-09-2023
Ceftazidime 100Mg/MI
Antibiotic Injection
Please give one 0.11 ml injection into muscle of forelimb once every
third day until finished. Next dose 8/9/2023 evening. Keep frozen until use.

As discussed due to the nature of the tumour and the surgery, post operative complications may develop. These may include:
— break down of the oesophageal reconstruction. If this occurs, it will need to be assessed by SASH Surgery and Exotics. Pending reassesment, reconstruction may be required vs allowing it to heal by itself. May require reconstruction vs healing via secondary intention

  • Bleeding - although this is less likely, it is possible that with aggressive head motions, it may cause damage to the large vessels of that were closely associated with tumour. If this occurs, please strong pressure into the bottom right of the oral cavity using a gauze swab and seek veterinary attention immediately
  • Infection of the esophageal feeding tube entry site
  • Regrowth of the tumour - due to local invasion of the tumour into the oeseophagus, in addition to the highly malignant nature of the tumour, recurrence remains a high possibility.
Diet:

Following Is oral surgery, including an esophageal repair, he is not allowed to have any sollid foods for at least the next month, pending his healing/recovery and veterinary reassessment. He will need to be fed exclusively through his esophageal tube for this period.

Make sure to flush the tube with 1-2 ml of water before and after each feed.

Initially he will require 3 ml of formula once a day until his first defecation. After that, this volume is then increased to 6 ml of formula once a day until his next. Following this, he will require 11 ml of formula once a day ongoing.

Formula Recipe: 1 small scoop of Omnivore + 1 small scoop of Carnivore + 14 ml of warm/hot water (50 degrees celcius). Mix well.

Disgard any unused formula. Make fresh each time

Additionally, approximately 2-3 times daily, gently drip 1 mI of water into the mouth to keep the oral cavity moist.

Oesophageal Tube Care:

Each day insect the entry of the tube site in the skin for anabnormalities such as discharge, change in colour, or a foul odour. If any of these symptoms are noted, please contact us as soon as possible.

Each day after feeding, clean the area around the entry site with the provided antiseptic scrub using gauze swabs; wait 10 mins then clean the area with plain saline using gauze swabs. Try keep the entire tube as clean as posisble make surethat food and debris do not build up on the stube, especially around the area that is next to the body wall.

Housing:

Ensure Spike is housed with an appropriate thermal gradient. They should have access to a basking area with a temperature appropriate for a bearded dragon and a cooler area. Heating must be provided at all times.

Wound care:

Remove all sand, straw, sawdust and dirt substrates. Newspaper and paper towel are best used and changed daily. Avoid bathing and ensure all large water bowls have been removed. Please monitor the wound for redness, swelling and discharge. If any occur, please contact the hospital for advice. Sutures are designed to be removed in 6-8 weeks, but they can fall out earlier if he sheds.

He will be due for a recheck with your regular vet in 1 weeks' time, and then a recheck with SASH Exotics and Surgery departments in 2 weeks time. However, if there are any complications or concerns prior to then, he will need to be reassessed earlier.

Please feel free to contact us if you have any further questions or are worried in any way about his recovery.”
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Drache613

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Hello,

Wow, that is excellent news, I am really happy for him.
That was awhile for him to be under anesthesia, but it
sounds like he is doing well!
I hope he didn't lose too much blood but it was a pretty
invasive surgery. I'm sure he will be groggy for a few days
following but will most likely feel tons better! It's a good thing
they did surgery now since it had started to attach to his
esophagus which would definitely begin to affect his eating
& ability to drink too. The feeding tube is a good idea so he
can heal up.
That's a great idea for you to rearrange his tank so he is more
comfortable & wont hurt himself.
That helps a lot for you to be able to go to your regular vet to
save travel time & money too. That's a lot less traveling for
Spike!
Absolutely, healthy diets, including the cruciferous greens, etc
is essential for people so it wont hurt for him, either. Just be
sure he has good calcium intake also to balance it all out.
I hope he is able to come home tomorrow. Be sure to post
pictures of him, too.

Tracie
 

Spider8ait1994

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He’s doing good this morning. Awake and holding his head up and he’s had a bit of a slow wander around his enclosure.
Seems I’ve gotten lucky with an easy patient because he stayed nice and still for me while I was feeding him via his tube and then cleaning the entry point post-feeding and he’s happy to just sit and rest without seeming too bothered by the tube.
His beard isn’t as dark toda as it was yesterday which is great so at this stage things are looking good regarding his recovery.
Here’s some photos I took this morning to compare with the photos I took the day before his proceedure.
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Drache613

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Hello,

Wow, he looks really good there! I bet he feels a lot better too. I am surprised at how alert
he appears there. So, he is at home with you now?
Hopefully the feeding tube isn't bothering him too much. That will make a huge difference in
being able to get nutrition into him right now. Overall his weight looks good. He has been
through an ordeal but looks like he should recover pretty quickly!
The vets did a really nice job with him, thankfully! Keep us posted on his progress. ❤️

Tracie
 

Spider8ait1994

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Hello,

Wow, he looks really good there! I bet he feels a lot better too. I am surprised at how alert
he appears there. So, he is at home with you now?
Hopefully the feeding tube isn't bothering him too much. That will make a huge difference in
being able to get nutrition into him right now. Overall his weight looks good. He has been
through an ordeal but looks like he should recover pretty quickly!
The vets did a really nice job with him, thankfully! Keep us posted on his progress. ❤️

Tracie
@Drache613
The tube doesn’t seem to be bothering him all that much which is great and he’s been happy to just sit in his enclosure and watch the tv.
He sits nice and still for me while I feed him and clean where the tube goes into him which I’m thankful for.
On top of that he did defecate this evening too so that’s a good sign that he’s getting the food formula alright and also meant that tomorrow I can give him 6ml instead of 3ml.
In talking with the vets they mentioned that Spike is actually the first bearded dragon they’ve done this proceedure on but the surgeon who headed the proceedure had done it in cats and dogs before and looking at the clear difference in Spike from before and just 2 days after they definitely did a great job so it’s good to know that they can do this and even so before all this is never even considered that it was possible to do an oesophageal reconstruction on a bearded dragon because I’d imagine everything would be so tiny and delicate.
 

Drache613

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Hello,

That's great he doesn't seem to mind the tube for feeding. I
am sure he's just happy to be feeling better & able to get some
food.
I hope he's getting some rest, bless him. It sounds like his body
is metabolizing the anesthesia well & it's most likely getting all
out of his body.
Yes indeed, bearded dragons are much smaller than dogs &
cats, so the fact that they were even willing to accept the task
of the surgery is amazing! I'm glad that they were up for the
challenge, I think it was successful.
Let us know how Spike is doing!

Tracie
 

Spider8ait1994

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Still doing alright today. I gave him 6ml of formula via the tube and 0.06ml tramidol then after a few minutes I gave him one of the Ceftazidime injections in his left front limb.
He was significantly more active today and definitely wanted out of his enclosure. He passed waste again so he’ll be having a larger amount of formula tomorrow.
He’s been awake most of the days and I’ve been turning out his light around 5pm since he is gettig tired earlier than he used to which is expected and he seems to sleep through the night without problems.
He’s all booked in for his 1 week check in 5 days time but so far everything’s looking good. I’m not seeing any discoloration, abnormal swelling or discharge from anywhere and things aren’t developing any smell (aside from normal warm dragon smell 😂)
 

Drache613

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Hello!

Great he is doing well & eating so much.
Definitely keep him hydrated since he is on the tramidol which can be hard on their system. It is an
opiod based medication. He must be feeling pretty good then if his appetite & activity levels have
increased. The important thing is that his beard isn't black as it would be if he were in distress, & he
is active. Hopefully with him being on the Ceftz, he wont develop any type of infection.
Yeah there isn't too much you can do about the smell! LOL

Tracie
 

Spider8ait1994

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He’s continuing to do really good. Gave him 11ml of formula today and another Meloxicam dose in the afternoon. He passed waste again so that’s been once a day since he’s been him which is great as I know in humans at least the digestive system is the slowest to ‘wake up’ again after anaesthesia so if it’s the same in dragons he’s well and truly processed things.
As for hydration I am flushing his feeding tube with a few ml of water both before and after giving the formula and after giving medication as well as offering him a few ml of water 2-3 times a day on his snout for him to lick up to just keep his mouth moist since he’s not eating via the mouth at the moment.
He’s pretty much learned the new routine already which is helpful for me in that he knows what to expect and when to expect it.
Been keeping him entertained throughout the day with his favourite show (air crash investigation which is NOT what you’d expect a dragon to like.) so thankfully that’s something I enjoy too because if it was Puff in this scenario we’d be watching the Netflix Taylor swift documentary on repeat lmao.
Here’s some pics of him I took this afternoon. You can see he’s standing himself up more now which I’m taking as a good sign he’s feeling alright.
Definitely was a good idea to invest in puppy training pads because I can just swap those out quick and easy as needed and just lay it over the top of his bedding to keep everything clean. I’ve also halved his enclosure space with a panel of insulation foam just to boost the temps up too which is working great.
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Drache613

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Hello,

Well, he looks very alert there, that is great news! I'm so happy to hear that he seems to be adjusting
& healing too. He is quite a trooper for going through all of this too.
That's a good amount of food, is that daily? Did he take any water off of his nose for you?
Yes, those puppy pads are very convenient I agree! Is he spending a good amount of time basking
also since he is feeling better?
I hope he continues to improve. It sounds like he is on the road to a full recovery. :)

Tracie
 

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