warning Beardies eat Beardies

[SammyJayne]

I do feel sorry for the OP, I can't imagine how distressing it must be to come home to discover such a thing. Do your homework, even if it's the most common animal kept in the world you should always, always do your homework. I also thought it was common knowledge that you should always quarantine a new reptile for three months, so why on earth you put a new beardie in with your other one I have no idea.

Kristen I'm sorry that one of your babies suffered a horrible fate but surely at the same time you can't hold the OP entirely responsible. Surely you should've asked them some simple questions about their setup etc. before letting the beardie go home with a new owner? I'm not trying to attack you or whatever but it just seems odd to me. I've purchased reptiles from both breeders and pet stores and even the pet stores ask you about set up and basic knowledge (food, temps, etc.) I should probably point out though that I live in the UK. I was recently fortunate enough to be given a baby beardie by another member on this forum and even they asked me about my set up etc. and even advised me that my viv would probably be on the small side (I had a 3ft with the intention of upgrading when baby wasn't so little).

I'm not trying to upset anyone. I'm just giving my honest opinion. Each side has a valid story, and I also believe it hard to truly express emotions via the internet. While people may think the OP has no remorse or guilt whatsoever from what they write doesn't mean they're not wherever in the world they are devastated by their mistake and crying their eyes out.

Sorry for going on, I'll shut up in a second I promise. Can't remember who said people are people, animals are animals but whoever it was I'm sorry but I have to disagree. People are animals. Every living creature is an animal. Just because we happen to fall under the species of "human" doesn't make us any better than any other animal out there.

Have fun playing over that rainbow bridge little buddy, I hope you're happy there.

 

[tomboy1988]

I did ask him all of the questions. I never once heard mention of him already owning another beardie. Short of flying to his house, he checked out. I'm very picky about who I send to. Had I had even a hint of an issue with him, my dragon would never have been sent there.

 

[Chompy]

If he showed any remorse on her or through our e mails, I might agree with you. However, I don't.

I actually prayed for you. I did a lot of research. I bought a book and asked questions on this site. I did not run through a single source that said my adult beardie would eat it's own kind. My beardie plays with her reflection. I thought she was lonely. I posted this simply so that others won't make the same mistake. Yes I was sad that the little guy died. However, I was more sad that you were so upset. I didn't cry about it. Now I know better. Just because a person does not cry does not mean they are not sad. Every culture is different.

 

[Chompy]

I did ask him all of the questions. I never once heard mention of him already owning another beardie. Short of flying to his house, he checked out. I'm very picky about who I send to. Had I had even a hint of an issue with him, my dragon would never have been sent there.

Look this is the last post I"m making. http://www.beardeddragon.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=180070 It's public information that I"m a new owner with an adult beardie. I'm not writing on this topic anymore. The point of this post was so that others don't do the same mistake...

 

[Brittraff]

I actually prayed for you. I did a lot of research. I bought a book and asked questions on this site. I did not run through a single source that sad my adult beardie would eat it's own kind. My beardie plays with her reflection. I thought she was lonely. I posted this simply so that others won't make the same mistake. Yes I was sad that the little guy died. However, I was more sad that you were so upset. I didn't cry about it. Now I know better. Just because a person does not cry does not mean they are not sad. Every culture is different.

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=154908

Perhaps this needs to be posted at the top of every section not just health..

 

[Lurhstaap]

Look, I hate to say this, but as an impartial observer, you can't POSSIBLY have done much research if you did not run into ANYTHING which suggested that cohabitation is a bad idea. It took me all of a few hours of reading on this site the very first day I came here for that to be driven into my mind. I am not trying to jump on you here, but, really, this is such a basic idea in beardie keeping, and so prevalent on this site in particular, that I just find it difficult to believe that you actually did all that much reading. Skimming quickly over information isn't the same thing as actually reading it and neither is ignoring things you don't want to be true. She is not "playing" with her reflection. She is either glassdancing, wanting out of her tank, or attacking the reflection. They are NOT social animals in the way dogs or cats are. They do seem to have some ability to bond with humans, or at least to seem to, but they do not bond with their own kind and you are making a very dangerous mistake in humanizing them. If you genuinely love your beardie, then accept him or her for what he or she is instead of trying to project mammalian emotions onto it. Dragons have their own emotions and ways, but they are -not- humanlike or even mammallike.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that, next time, when you do research, -really- do research. Because I'm sorry, like I said, I just can't believe that you really did much reading without encountering that concept. ESPECIALLY not on this site.

Just my .02.

 

[ziggydoodles]

Honestly, it should be common sense that you shouldn't put a baby ANYTHING in a tank with an adult animal, it's just not a good idea. And I have to agree with everyone else here, you cannot have possibly done thorough research before getting that baby, because almost every single person on this website will tell you that beardies should never be housed together, ESPECIALLY a baby and an adult. There are multiple threads on the topic, if you'd researched beardie housing in any way, shape, or form you would have come across that thread. I'm not trying to attack anyone but I think this was a very stupid and easily preventable mistake. Really, I don't blame tomboy even a little bit for being so upset, and saying what they've said, because this should have never happened, and I would probably be even angrier had something like this happened to a baby of mine.

 

[vampy]

They are NOT social animals in the way dogs or cats are.

I dunno much about dogs, but even with cats, i wouldn't dream of putting a kitten in a room with an adult cat it had never met before and then leaving. In my experience of introducing cats to kittens, the adult is normally more scared than the kitten, but sometimes that results in hissing/growling/lashing out...I imagine the same goes for most animals, even social ones, you don't leave them alone together, especially when they are vastly different ages, until you've supervised them a lot and are sure both will be ok with it, physically and mentally.

 

[Brittraff]

leave them alone together, especially when they are vastly different ages, until you've supervised them a lot and are sure both will be ok with it, physically and mentally.

Thats so true, with any animal you would never leave a baby alone with another adult of no relation. It's just pure common sense..

 

[bunnyrut]

i am sorry for both the OP and the breeder. and also the poor baby.

there are a lot of threads about cohabitation on this site. every month someone makes a post asking about it.

i am going to share some stories here about it.

1. My mom owned a snake (way before i was born, so i do not recall the breed), she had it for many years and loved it. one day she went to the pet store and saw babies of the same kind of snake. she talked to the shopkeeper and he said "oh, yes. you can bring this little guy home and put it right in with your other snake, they'll get a long just fine."
well my mom brought it home and said "look *snake's name*, i brought you a friend!" and the snake perked right up and went *SLURP* and gone was the baby.

2. MAMMALS!
we owned a rat. a female white rat. she was very friendly. one day we went to the pet store and saw a male rat that was black. he was also friendly. VERY friendly, he would actually give you kisses. pet shop owner told us we can put the two rats together and they would mate and have babies. "just put them in the same cage" he told us.
so we did.
the next day we saw a horror scene.
he attacked her and nearly killed her. there was blood everywhere. she became partially blind and very nasty after that. she lunged at us and bit whenever our hands went near her. could anyone blame her for that?

3. Beardies!
we had Mr Dargon for a year and decided we wanted another addition to the family and went on a road trip to an expo.
we fell in love with Tasty Treat.
"why do you call her Tasty Treat?"
well, when we brought her home we put her down next to Mr Dargon's cage. he took one look at her and tried so desperately to get to her. he was looking at her like he does his hornworms. he thought we brought him a tasty treat and was very confused when we moved her away from him. so we kept calling her Tasty Treat because of his reaction whenever he saw her.

i've also had a cat that attacked kittens and tried to kill them.

it is like that with many species. not all the time with all species, but more times with cold-blooded animals.

from experience with many different animals i always put a new addition in a separate room away from everything else, because you never know what the reactions will be.

 

[beardielove10]

Things like this should never happen.

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[TheWerewolf]

Okay, I've been quiet for this entire discussion. I can't be quiet anymore. Look, it's NOBODY'S fault. Tomboy didn't know, it's not her fault. Chompy didn't do enough research, that is clear. But let's not jump on him for making a mistake. We are humans, we make mistakes, we are not perfect. Stop blaming people, nobody's to blame. And when I was researching for Nim no caresheets that I can remember said they can't be housed together, or don't put a baby in with a adult. And some just don't research enough, I spent a month reading up on Nim's care. I didn't find this site though until about two weeks before I got him. But I didn't even know stuff that I know now, I look back at the first post I made when I helped someone and I wanted to correct myself on a few things. I would have fed Nim kale, because many caresheets said it was okay, but I found this site in time and saw the feeding chart. Another thing to think about, Chompy sounds like a kid. Not like that's anything to be ashamed of, but when I was a kid I lacked some common sense. My siblings teased me for it sometimes, I was super gullible. I probably would have done the same thing, because my mom was the one who researched when I was younger. We had some leopard geckos, I now know their care was wretched. But I didn't know at the time, and even still they lived a nice long life. Now, I first got Leo, and after a few years of having him we got him a female. Micro, she was very small when we got her, hence the name. We didn't put her in with Leo immediately though, we waited until she grew. But that was the common sense mom had, I probably would have put Micro in right away and she would have been eaten.

I'm not taking sides either. I agree with everyone who has posted. They are all coming from great sources. I also have another story for you all. A few months ago someone came on and began to tell people that they were overfeeding their beardies. Everybody leaped on him and told him otherwise, I did too. But I now regret it, if we approached him better he may still be on here caring for his dragon the right way. But we scared him away, and I regret it completely. His beardie is probably very sickly, maybe even dead. Our job is to teach people how to care for their dragons properly. We could have taught him the right way, instead of getting on his case and chasing him way from the forums. I wish I could change it, so that he could learn the right way. If only we told him about it kindly, but we chased him. I chased him.

Chompy has learned the hard way. But instead of jumping on him saying that he's evil and shouldn't be forgiven, let's treat him nicely and forgive him. I don't want to be party to another forum mob. I don't want to chase him off the forums like I did with the other one.

I'm done with my rant now. I'll refrain from posting on this thread. I just wanted to post from my perspective.

 

[diamc]

[I am locking this thread to prevent any further upset or arguments. Everything has been covered so no reason to leave this thread open any longer. Hopefully no-one will make this same mistake and no members will be chased away from what was posted here, we want all members to stay and learn from this forum. Accidents happen and I think everyone has learned from it]