Strange mark on back, yellow in center with lots of pics

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Hello all, i wasn't sure if i should put this here or not..it just really concerns me with some of the things I've been reading on google about yellowing spots on bearded dragons. :cry:

I've had my bearded dragon for 5 years, since he was 2 months old. He's a very healthy male, doesn't come in contact with other dragons or other animals. I keep him on a very short haired towel so there's no risk of him hurting his claws, he gets a bath once or twice a week and usually poops out everything during those baths. The stools are healthy with no abnormalities. His diet consists of super worms, occasional crickets (sometimes caned), bok choy, callard greens, squash, sweet potato, these pink square treats i buy at the petshop and assorted fruits that are not citrusy (usually berries). I dust all the bugs he eats with cal powder without vit D3. And his light fixture is a 160 watt mega ray black raptor bulb i had to climb through heck and back to get. I also keep a ceramic night light on during the day sometimes if its cooler then normal. I regulate his temperature with a digital gun and by just how he reacts. He gets fresh water and offerings of greens and fruit and treats every day after a serving of 2 to 4 super worms depending on the size and how many he's eatten the day before.

Now before I get the no bugs lecture. I took him to a vet over and over because of one guy telling me he was overweight and i needed to take him back regulatory to check his weight. I spent nearly 200,000 bucks on vet visits just so this guy could tell me he's to fat. I asked what i should do and he said only give him greens till he eats them. so i would offer him only a plate of greens with baby food coating them for days and day till finally he'd take a bite. I dusted the greens and coated them in his favorite foods, mixed them with squash, fruit, dandielions and insect parts, and still the same reaction. he would only take a few bites and only after he had starved himself for weeks on end. after a few months of this he started to act crazy and tear apart his tank every day. I tried giving him a bath and letting him run around in the lawn because i figured maybe he was restless. I still would get the same reaction of just him running around acting insane once i put him back in the tank. He seemed in pain and like he could just never get comfortable. I took him to a different exotics vet who after she finally got him to sit still long enough to get a proper xray said his bones were incredibly thin and what i was doing to him was terrible. so I threw the whole diet plan out the window and just let him eat a certain amount of dusted insects every day with the same offering of greens if he gets hungry later on in the day. it's been working great ever since and no related health problems since.

Now back to this yellow spot, I've read all kinds of horror stories about yellow fungus, as well as a close friend of mines dragon having died from it. Everything I've read on google says if its yellow its critical so i'm panicing horribly. however i would like to note that he is a high yellow dragon and his yellow coloring is very bright and natural. his behavior is normal and the spot dose not seem to bug him at all. I called a vet and one of the technicians told me that these kinds of spots form into cysts and become serious. It's the weekend and all the exotics vets in st louis are away, and he's already had it for about 3 days and im very worried of it turning into something serious.

The spot in the middle is a stuck scale thats never quite shed properly, it's always had multiple layers of dead skin covering it. One time i had a vet scrape some of the extra layers off but that was early last year. around the layer scale is a yellowing ring that seems to be getting worse but I cant quite tell, around that is a gray unswollen area. The area that concerns me is the yellowing near the center.


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greathouseFarm

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Don't worry and don't run out to the vet. Unless you feel a mass underneath or it starts to protrude it is most likely some small spot of fungus. You can get some Lotramin cream from any drug store and apply it to the spot. This could take up to a few weeks to go away and even after you can not see the spot anymore it's a good idea to continue treatment for another week. If after a few days of treament you don't see any fading or it gets bigger than it's not fungus. Take everything out of the tank and sterilize it. Steam is the best way to sterilize your enclosure and it's furniture. If I were you i'd toss the towel and put him on a piece of slate or newspaper. I hope that helps!
 

KaijuPossumAdri

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Thank you for the reply :)! How could he get a fungus you think? he never gets near any other dragons. the bugs maybe? and if it protrudes what is it exactly?
 

greathouseFarm

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Fungus could have come off another object. Towels can be a culprit or even wood I think. If it protrudes I would seek a vet.
 

KaijuPossumAdri

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I checked it today and I think the middle is swelling just a bit. not sure..I sterilized his tank and everything in it with steam dish soap and a little windex then rinsed completely, changed the substrate to paper towels and cleaned him off in warm water..I dont have any of the cream right now, i was going to put a little deluded witch hazel on the spot but turns out i was out. I almost put hydrogen peroxide on but i google it and found out it has an acidic effect to bearded dragons :shock: think deluded alcohol would work till i can get the cream?
 

spurlee01

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Looks like ringworm to me, I would google ringworm treatments. I really don't know about using alcohol, I would really hesitate.
 

Goonie

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It definitely looks like ringworm. The best thing to do now is to keep his viv completely sterilized (soaking everything in a diluted bleach solution, then carefully rinsing them afterwards), discard anything wood, and machine wash all fabrics in hot (if possible).
If that's the only spot on your beardie's body, daily application of Lotrimin would keep it from spreading. Do not under any circumstances use rubbing alcohol or hydrogen peroxide on his skin; it'll do more harm than good. If you can't get to the store today or tomorrow to get Lotrimin, anything that's an antifungal would do. Just be sure that it isn't a prescription strength, which may be too strong.

Perform a thorough search of your beardie's entire body for any other signs of ringworm infection. Depending on how long this one had been there, there may be other brewing.
 

TASTIGER

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thats what i thought it was but i didnt know beardies could get it make sure your careful because it could spread to you
 

Goonie

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TASTIGER":2oyjp4xm said:
thats what i thought it was but i didnt know beardies could get it make sure your careful because it could spread to you
Yes, it is VERY contagious!
 

GeckoGarden

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Goonie":3jhfszki said:
TASTIGER":3jhfszki said:
thats what i thought it was but i didnt know beardies could get it make sure your careful because it could spread to you
Yes, it is VERY contagious!


It itches like crazy too! If it is ring worm, please be very careful when you handle him.. Its not a fun thing to have..
 

KaijuPossumAdri

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Mkeh update. Sorry I know it's been awhile


I did end up taking him to a nice herp vet in the area. He said it probably wasn't ringworm though he couldn't be sure what it was until he could get a sample. He said he'd prefer not to surgically remove the lesion, and I agreed to him surely not doing that :shock:. He gave me some antibiotic that treets a variety of things, and I've been giving my lizard that twice a day for maybe 3 to 4 weeks now. His behavior is no different. Though he has has a little less of an appetite. (normally he jumps for his worms, now he just kind of nudges them a little before gobbling them up.) What scares me is after giving him a warm bath, I took him out and dried him off, and the side with the mark on it had turned a kind of white. This isn't normal for his shedding. Here's a picture.


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The original dot has sunken inward and turned grey, while the scales around it have turned a kind of speckled white and raised up a little. Anyone have any clue what this could be? I called the vet and he said to stop giving him the medication and see if the skin turns to its original color, so far it hasn't and he's been off it for a week or so now.
 

KaijuPossumAdri

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By the way, Just in case it is some kind of parasite, I've been keeping the tank extremely clean. I've been giving him baths almost every day to help his skin but each time I dry him off the skin looks even whiter. I'm really concern :cry:, This dragon is my baby, I've had him since I was 12 (turning 18 very soon)
 

Gail

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It looks like the ring is getting bigger. I would suggest getting him back to the vets for a skin scraping to find out what is going on. If its some sort of fungus then antibiotics aren't going to help.
 

KaijuPossumAdri

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its hard to tell because of the camera lighting, but the ring has turned grey and stayed generally the same size. its the whitening area around it that's expanding. The vet attempted a skin scrape when I took him last and was unable to get samples. He says he doesn't know what it is and the best thing for me to do is to wait for him to shed the skin off and then send the shed in for testing. However he probably wont shed for half a year or more and that white is expanding rapidly x_x! his behavior isn't any different and he's still eating and defecating normally. The vet said if his behavior changes to take him back in. Though as for the skin scrape the vet said the only thing he could do would be to surgically remove the skin. However the operation is quite expensive and would probably hurt more then help.

I read about retained sheds. dose anyone think that could have anything to do with this? like..maybe the stuck scale getting infected or something? Though I mean its not wet. If anything the skins really dry and somewhat crumpled.

Dose anyone has any experience in these symptoms?
 

KaijuPossumAdri

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I'm sorry for posting so much but it's just really worrying me. I keep doing research and the only results I can find on the web are either for yellow fungus or people who've never experience a lizard shedding before. I know this isn't him shedding, and from what I've heard of yellow fungus I don't think it's that either. The skin is dry and feels the same as it did when it was normal. It's just turned pale and the scales have raised some. I just know I should be worried because when lizards show extreme change like this it means they've had something for a long time that's progressed a lot and now showing signs.
 
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