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ME AND MY HUSBAND HAVE A BEARDED DRAGON AND HE SEEMS LIKE HE IS HAVING A SEIZURE HE DOES THIS WHEN WE GO TO PICK UP AND SOMETIME WHILE HE IS SITTING UNDER HIS BASKING LIGHT WE REALLY NEED SOME HELP HIS TEMP IS ABOUT 90 MOSTLY AND HE DOSNT EAT MUCH ANY MORE NOT REALLY SURE HOW OLD HE IS BC WHEN WE GOT HIM FROM THE PET STORE THEY WERE NOT SURE EITHER.. HE IS 6 INCHES LONG AND WE SPRINKLE CALCUIM POWER ON HIS MEAL WORMS AND CRICKETS HE WONT EAT GREENS.. PLEASE HELP!!! WE DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO WE ARE TRYING TO STAY AWAY FROM THE VET RIGHT NOW.. HE WAS ON SAND BUT TONIGHT WE SAW THAT HE COULD BE STOPPED UP AND THE SAND COULD HAVE CAUSED THAT SO WE PUT CARPET DOWN... IT SEEMS LIKE HIS ROCK GETS TO HOT AND THEN THAT IS USUALLY WHEN HE STARTS TO TWITCH AND HIS MOUTH IS WIDE OPEN WE ARE JUST REALLY SCARED WE HAD ONE ONE TIME BEFORE AND HE DIED BUT HE WASNT DOING THIS PLEASE HELP IF YOU CAN?!?!
 

Esther19

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I'm sorry to hear your beardie is sick. If the rock is electrically heated, please remove it. It can cause them to overheat and can burn their bellies. What type of UVB are you using?
 

morgan0810

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WE WERE USING SOME OTHER KIND OF LIGHT TO BEGIN WITH IM NOT REALLY SURE WHAT KIND IT WAS IT WAS ONLY A 50 WATT AND IT WAS WHAT PETS MART ADVISED US TO USE WE JUST CHANGED HIM TO A ZOO MED 75W BASKING SPOT LAMP IT SAYS IT PROVIDES UVA RAYS THIS WAS ALSO ANOTHER BULB WE GOT THAT PETS SUPERMARKET ADVISED US TO USE WE ONLY HAVE ONE LIGHT DO WE NEED 2?? OOO AND I FORGOT TO MENTION HE TRIED TO BITE MY HUSBAND EARLIER! HES NEVER BEEN AGGRESSIVE BEFORE :(
 
morgan0810":2vjtcwam said:
WE WERE USING SOME OTHER KIND OF LIGHT TO BEGIN WITH IM NOT REALLY SURE WHAT KIND IT WAS IT WAS ONLY A 50 WATT AND IT WAS WHAT PETS MART ADVISED US TO USE WE JUST CHANGED HIM TO A ZOO MED 75W BASKING SPOT LAMP IT SAYS IT PROVIDES UVA RAYS THIS WAS ALSO ANOTHER BULB WE GOT THAT PETS SUPERMARKET ADVISED US TO USE WE ONLY HAVE ONE LIGHT DO WE NEED 2?? OOO AND I FORGOT TO MENTION HE TRIED TO BITE MY HUSBAND EARLIER! HES NEVER BEEN AGGRESSIVE BEFORE :(


Ok, Are you ready for this.....

How old is this beardie? Adults ( approx 18 inches ) should bask at 100f, Babies ( under 18" ) should bask between 105-110f.

Smart move getting rid of the sand, its a mess and causes a list of issues, ranging from sinus to impaction.

Yes, you need 2 lights, you have the right basking, but you also need a uvb ( all are NOT the same ) only use the reptisun 10.0 ONLY. cheaper online btw!

Bit due to disagreement, probably his husbandry ( his home,temps,etc. ), also what are you feeding him?

***** What are you using to guage the temuratures with? If you dont have an accurite ( at wal-mart $12 ) or a temp gun? then get one asap, dial themrometers can be off 10 - 20 degrees, which is drastic *****


How long is this dragon, can you show pics of him, and his home, lights,heating, etc.?


^^ Hang on, .....Im backing up a tad'....hes only 6 inches, okay then hes a baby his hot side or basking side needs to be 105-110 ASAP, this is urgent, and if you do not have a uvb get one asap ^^ his temps alone could be the root cause to his seizures,and him being angry enough to bite^^

All these things make a HUGE difference!




Hope some this info helps.
 

beardie parents

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He could be not eating because he's not warm enough. They need to be at least 95f and up to 110f, closer to 110 because of his age. What are you measuring his temps with? The UVB is the second bulb you need, the lack of appetite in beardies is a lot of times related to lack of uvb or the uvb tube is too old. I suggest getting a reptisun 10 tube and the best and cheapest place I know of is http://www.petmountain.com. Sometimes petstores don't know about beardies and don't have the correct information customers need to keep them healthy and growing correctly.
 

morgan0810

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we gave him a bath and messaged his belly thinking he may be impacted he dark alot of water while bathing but never pooped :/ i read where they open there mouthes and kinds look like they are gasping but i do not think this is it.. if you can tell me how to upload some pics ill be glad to as of now there is no more sand he is on carpet and some of my sewing fabric until we can get some more carpet bc the piece we have is for a 5 gal tank and he is in a 10 gal i believe we have the thermometer and hydrometer set they are flunkers.. i also read about his tail being black.. his tail was darker at the end before his bath and after and during seemed to be about the same color as the top of his tail and the rest of his body his temp right this min on this hot side is a little over 100 and his belly looks like it could be bloated a little bit thank yall for yalls time this really is helping! none of our pet stores around here can tell us anything and they just say to take him to the vet i have an appt for friday to take him if he does not get any better before then we have been feeding him some crickets (little ones) but he has stopped eating them he was eating meal worms but he wont eat but maybe one of those and he wont eat greens at all
 
morgan0810":1xlxaoi3 said:
we gave him a bath and messaged his belly thinking he may be impacted he dark alot of water while bathing but never pooped :/ i read where they open there mouthes and kinds look like they are gasping but i do not think this is it.. if you can tell me how to upload some pics ill be glad to as of now there is no more sand he is on carpet and some of my sewing fabric until we can get some more carpet bc the piece we have is for a 5 gal tank and he is in a 10 gal i believe we have the thermometer and hydrometer set they are flunkers.. i also read about his tail being black.. his tail was darker at the end before his bath and after and during seemed to be about the same color as the top of his tail and the rest of his body his temp right this min on this hot side is a little over 100 and his belly looks like it could be bloated a little bit thank yall for yalls time this really is helping! none of our pet stores around here can tell us anything and they just say to take him to the vet i have an appt for friday to take him if he does not get any better before then we have been feeding him some crickets (little ones) but he has stopped eating them he was eating meal worms but he wont eat but maybe one of those and he wont eat greens at all


Ok, 1st get to wal-mart get the accurite its cheap only $12, the thermometer and hygrometer are NOT accurate, again they can be way off in temp, some as much as 20 degrees, it may say 100 degrees, however in reality hes cooking in 121, this happens ALOT, most seem to be hotter than what the guage is displaying, so again for $12 its a cant miss!!!



2nd use paper towels or newspaper, its cheap and works the best when it comes cleaning time.

3rd dont feed them meal worms, they are very hard for beardies to digest, even when the pet store syays they are okay, they are NOT.

( there are lots of places online to order bulk feeders, alot of folks here like pheonix worms and dubia roaches, hes probably used to crickets, and those are ok too for a while, there are just more nutricious bugs available, as youll find out being a new owner, become friendly w/ ordering online, it will save you a bundle )

As far as the darkness, again this all comes down to tempurature and lighting, do you currently have a UVB light? If so what kind?, specifically what brand?

My guess to that is lack of uvb, either not getting enough or none at all, you want to fix this ASAP as-well.



But, for tonight, remove carpet ( unless its reptile carpet ) if its home carpet, or something from your garage, dont use it, put in paper-towels, if you dont have any, use newspaper.

Do you dust your crickets with any vitamins or calcium powder? If not you should.


4th. Your going to also want a bigger enclosure ( house ), as babies grow fast, and need room, another thing is 10 gal is just not good, its very hard to get the correct temps as the space is too close, hence your cool side becoming hotter than it should, could be part of the issue too*
Also how long did you have him in the bath? how hot was the bath?

Just like babies or small children, use the inside of your wrist!

only slightly warmer than your body temp. some dragons like just above room temp, while others like it hotter, it all depends on him, but you will be able to tell what he likes and dislikes by his actions or lack of.

So his bath may have been just a little too hot if he was gasping, just my opinion.

How long has he been without these lights?

If I had to guess Id put my money on his whole enclosure being to hot, and lack of UVB, also household carpet can also cause impaction!



Oh also you can use image shack @ imageshack.com or imagefrog.com to upload your pictures!

The folks who have been here longer than me, may know easier ways, but I use image shack.
 

MikeN

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Since your dragon happens to be named Leo, I simply can't pass by :) There are some easy steps that you could take right away:
First off, don't panic. But don't delay either. Just realize and accept the fact that owning a living creature requires some investment. Not much, and most of it more or less one-time, but it should be done. Just do this today, ok? This way, you'll be investing into many years of joy for both yourself and your animal.

I agree with the previous posters -if your dragon's enclosure is so small, raising his temps may do him more harm than help. Look on local Craigslist and get something larger. You can often get a nice size tank for free, or as low as 20 bucks. I'd pass on anything less than 40 gallons though. I've seen Petco sell 40-gallon "critter cage" breeder tanks for $40 when on sale. That would make the best enclosure for him until he is fully grown, and even then. Those breeder tanks are very practical even at the regular price of $100. Heck, he'd probably be better off in a laundry container for the time being than a 10-gallon enclosure.

Since you already have a basking light, get a tube reptisun 10.0 to add UVB, and a fixture for it. Those tend to be expensive at Petsmart, but can be had cheaper at small mom and pop shops.

You don't have to throw away that heating rock, just turn it OFF and place in the basking spot. My Leo loves his, it is very comfortable for him to bask on it seems. His tail end has been darker all his life, and he seems ok with that :) Seriously though, varying colors may mean discomfort. Overall too dark = stress. But also, losing almost all the dark = not good either. My Leo was all yellow when he got overheated once. If your dragon's belly feels too warm to touch, he's likely not enjoying it, either.

Once you've settled on a decent size tank, you can get reptile carpet of correct dimensions at Amazon, I find it to have the best prices and free shipping. For the time being, just use paper towels.

It sounds like he was thirsty, and a thirsty dragon won't eat, so make sure he is hydrated. Bathing for 15-20 min is usually enough, but make sure his bath is not too hot, nor cold. The wrist method is fine. WATCH HIM while he's in the tub/sink. We had a near-death drowning experience, and the water level wasn't even high - Leo was just too thirsty and drinking too fast. Read my thread about that if you want to know what to do in such a case.

And yes, buy an accurate thermometer. I ended up getting a temp gun eventually, but those digital ones with a long wire are good too. I've seen them under different names at walmart, petco, home depot, etc.

Actually paying a good vet a visit is not a bad idea, especially if Leo has never been to one.

Good luck, and keep us updated.
 

morgan0810

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ok update on leo this morning ill be glad to upload pics after i get off this work this afternoon his tank is a 20g tank not a ten and it looks like he may have bit part of the end of his tail off :( we are getting the lights this afternoon and hopefully that will make him better.. it is reptile carpet so is that ok?! i will finish updating this afternoon after work!
 
morgan0810":gy7d7urj said:
ok update on leo this morning ill be glad to upload pics after i get off this work this afternoon his tank is a 20g tank not a ten and it looks like he may have bit part of the end of his tail off :( we are getting the lights this afternoon and hopefully that will make him better.. it is reptile carpet so is that ok?! i will finish updating this afternoon after work!


Cant wait to see pics!

Okay, well 20 is not near as bad as a 10 gal. ( meaning the size is large enough to regulate his temps correctly, dont 4get the accurite @ wal-mart on ly $12 )

Did he eat his tail or did it fall off?

Dont stress too much, they can sense that, so your well on your way to getting him all situated, it takes time, and everyone here knows, its alot to take in.

So you need 2 crucial items, 1. Accurite 2. Reptisun UVB 10.0 ( get the tube kind, if you need a fixture fo it, lol also at walmart for $7


So lets do math here, we have $12, plus $7, plus $20 UVB, so it looks like here, you can get everything your lacking for under $40, not too bad!

Repticarpet is fine, thats what I use in-fact.
 

morgan0810

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i think he may have bit it not quite off but just enough to make him bleed and I HAVE GOOD NEWS!! we got his uvb light and my husband took him to the vet today he said that it was calcium deficiency so when my husband got home he set him in his aquarium and then gave him a warm bath he said he had an episode once after his bath and that has been all since i have been home he looked like he was about to do one but he never did we did get a new thermometer and his cool side is about 80 and his hot side is around 125 we are trying to adjust his light where it is at the right temp i was very depressed this mornin having to leave him so i decided to move his vet appt from friday and i am glad we did i was able to get him to drink some water out of a syringe and also gave him just a little bit of baby food prunes so he could poopy bc he still hasnt after i eat i will get some pics uploaded thank yall so much for yalls help!! the pot stores around here have no clue what they are doin!
 
morgan0810":37prec8f said:
i think he may have bit it not quite off but just enough to make him bleed and I HAVE GOOD NEWS!! we got his uvb light and my husband took him to the vet today he said that it was calcium deficiency so when my husband got home he set him in his aquarium and then gave him a warm bath he said he had an episode once after his bath and that has been all since i have been home he looked like he was about to do one but he never did we did get a new thermometer and his cool side is about 80 and his hot side is around 125 we are trying to adjust his light where it is at the right temp i was very depressed this mornin having to leave him so i decided to move his vet appt from friday and i am glad we did i was able to get him to drink some water out of a syringe and also gave him just a little bit of baby food prunes so he could poopy bc he still hasnt after i eat i will get some pics uploaded thank yall so much for yalls help!! the pot stores around here have no clue what they are doin!


Good Job, Your doing a great job so far, Way to go on getting the UVB light.

What kind of thermometer did you get? 125 is a little high, you can always try using a river rock under the basking area, thtas what I had to do, to get my temps perfect.

If you dont want to raise the light, you may just get a dimmer switch ( $10 home depot/wal-mart ) I use one of these as-well.

You have made a ton of progress in a short ammount of time.
 

morgan0810

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i feel so much better he seems to be acting more like himself already! he ate a meal worm this after noon and i kno they arnt good for him but that is the only thing he will eat right now we have the temp down to 112 we raised the light for not until we can get one with a dimmer switch tomorrow i couldnt figure out how to use those upload pages u gave me but i put some on photobucket.com
http://s1130.photobucket.com/albums/m538/morgan08101/ there is the link to my album! i will continue to add pics as he grows
 

MikeN

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What a beautiful baby! My Leo says Hi :) I am glad he is doing better, it is all a matter of experience and trial and error. That tank will do for a couple of months, then try and get a 40-gallon breeder at least, if you want your baby to grow normally. I can't stress this enough, as I've seen what happens to a dragon stuck in a 20-gallon all his life. My Leo on the other hand is about 22 inches, which I attribute to plenty of room when growing up. By the way, sometimes a larger tank doesn't mean better, some 55-gal ones are narrow and tall, which is not good at all.
 
morgan0810":28pcrzbu said:
i feel so much better he seems to be acting more like himself already! he ate a meal worm this after noon and i kno they arnt good for him but that is the only thing he will eat right now we have the temp down to 112 we raised the light for not until we can get one with a dimmer switch tomorrow i couldnt figure out how to use those upload pages u gave me but i put some on photobucket.com
http://s1130.photobucket.com/albums/m538/morgan08101/ there is the link to my album! i will continue to add pics as he grows



Awe, How cute is that lil' dude!

I agree keep your eyes open for a larger enclosure, you got a month or so, but keep your eyes peeled for one.

112 is not all that bad, just keep it under 115 until you can get it perfect, like he mentioned its all trial and error.

dont forget take him outside ( closley monitored, of course ) and give him a bath at least twice a week, bathing helps with shedding and hydration, and if they have impaction warm bath and rub "gently" on the left hand side of his belly, start where the rib cage ends, you'll feel it, and gently caress him all the way down to the vent ( or his pooper )


so far, so good, again you have come along way, in a very short amount of time.
 
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