This thread has gotten a little off track, as sometimes can happen on forums of any kind.
While I am not going to go report the guy for animal neglect, I really was wondering what you all thought about what he was doing, knowing what we know about the requirements of a bearded dragon. I was also surprised to see that he had what seemed to be thriving beardies living with no heat or UV source what-so-ever, and the only form of heat that they had came from his home which was maybe 72 F tops.
I do remember him telling me that he took his beardies outside for the suns natural UV lighting during the summer and that "sometimes" he would put their cage by a window this time of year for such UV light, seeming to think that the sun could replace or be better then a UV light in their cage.
The guy went on while I was there at his house to tell me that it was all "hog wash" and that people are "brain washed" into thinking we need to buy $300 worth of un-needed junk for a beardie, who he said was the hardiest reptile pet he has ever owned.
He had woodchips in the bottom of his cage as well as what looked like potting soil, both dark in color. He said that "See the pet stores will also tell you "Ohhh don't put sand or chips or dirt in the bottom of a bearded dragons cage as it might eat it and get impaction" and then he explained his rational that bearded dragons live and thrive in a desert and said "Do you think they live on a carpet made in China or paper towels replaced daily in the Australian desert?"
I think that this guy really did believe that EVERYTHING that we do for our beardies just about was nonsense, and that he pretty much just made up his own rules for raising them, doing as he pleased.
He was friendly enough. He went on and on about his beardies and things he has done. He told me while I really was trying to leave his home that pet stores will have you believing that crickets, if left in their cage will bite them and also thought that was nonsense too. He told me that he used to feed his beardies buckets of live crickets right in their cage and leave them for days until the beardie ate them all, overnight and all and that his beardies have never been bitten.
It really was quite extreme and ridiculous I remember thinking as he told me all that as I was trying to leave his front door. And I do remember thinking to myself, "Wow, isn't that animal neglection?". I told my wife about it all, and wondered what some of you might think about that.
It's not right, whatever it is. I am starting to think that people should have to pass some kinda basic requirement test before adopting ANY pet, even a cat, before they are allowed to own it. Unfortunately, that will never happen and people will continue to raise pets and neglect their pets of their most basic needs. Sadly this happens with much more then just bearded dragons. There are dogs that are neglected of human attention all the time. There are people who say they love cats and have 50 of them living in their house in filth and feces and malnourished, the list goes on and on and on.
I DO think it's animal neglect, what he is doing with his beardies. However what can I really do about it? Besides question him? Not really much. I just was curious what you all thought of what I witnessed, more because his beardies did seem healthy and happy.. but that doesn't mean that he isn't going to have problems with them as time goes on. And I think we already know what his opinion is likely to be when one of his beardies needs a vet. "Oh vets are the biggest scam in the book" is a good guess as to what his logic would be then too. I dunno, maybe not. For me, it's just hard to witness something like that and feel good about walking away doing absolutely nothing. But trying to change his opinion or talk to him as a stranger he met off craigslist would probably go about the same as the argument here in this thread, no where. {shrugs}
I think all we can do is raise our own pets with all the love and best care that we can give them ourselves and make sure they have the best opportunities to live a long, happy life... not just merely "survive" as someone so appropriately said earlier.
While I am not going to go report the guy for animal neglect, I really was wondering what you all thought about what he was doing, knowing what we know about the requirements of a bearded dragon. I was also surprised to see that he had what seemed to be thriving beardies living with no heat or UV source what-so-ever, and the only form of heat that they had came from his home which was maybe 72 F tops.
I do remember him telling me that he took his beardies outside for the suns natural UV lighting during the summer and that "sometimes" he would put their cage by a window this time of year for such UV light, seeming to think that the sun could replace or be better then a UV light in their cage.
The guy went on while I was there at his house to tell me that it was all "hog wash" and that people are "brain washed" into thinking we need to buy $300 worth of un-needed junk for a beardie, who he said was the hardiest reptile pet he has ever owned.
He had woodchips in the bottom of his cage as well as what looked like potting soil, both dark in color. He said that "See the pet stores will also tell you "Ohhh don't put sand or chips or dirt in the bottom of a bearded dragons cage as it might eat it and get impaction" and then he explained his rational that bearded dragons live and thrive in a desert and said "Do you think they live on a carpet made in China or paper towels replaced daily in the Australian desert?"
I think that this guy really did believe that EVERYTHING that we do for our beardies just about was nonsense, and that he pretty much just made up his own rules for raising them, doing as he pleased.
He was friendly enough. He went on and on about his beardies and things he has done. He told me while I really was trying to leave his home that pet stores will have you believing that crickets, if left in their cage will bite them and also thought that was nonsense too. He told me that he used to feed his beardies buckets of live crickets right in their cage and leave them for days until the beardie ate them all, overnight and all and that his beardies have never been bitten.
It really was quite extreme and ridiculous I remember thinking as he told me all that as I was trying to leave his front door. And I do remember thinking to myself, "Wow, isn't that animal neglection?". I told my wife about it all, and wondered what some of you might think about that.
It's not right, whatever it is. I am starting to think that people should have to pass some kinda basic requirement test before adopting ANY pet, even a cat, before they are allowed to own it. Unfortunately, that will never happen and people will continue to raise pets and neglect their pets of their most basic needs. Sadly this happens with much more then just bearded dragons. There are dogs that are neglected of human attention all the time. There are people who say they love cats and have 50 of them living in their house in filth and feces and malnourished, the list goes on and on and on.
I DO think it's animal neglect, what he is doing with his beardies. However what can I really do about it? Besides question him? Not really much. I just was curious what you all thought of what I witnessed, more because his beardies did seem healthy and happy.. but that doesn't mean that he isn't going to have problems with them as time goes on. And I think we already know what his opinion is likely to be when one of his beardies needs a vet. "Oh vets are the biggest scam in the book" is a good guess as to what his logic would be then too. I dunno, maybe not. For me, it's just hard to witness something like that and feel good about walking away doing absolutely nothing. But trying to change his opinion or talk to him as a stranger he met off craigslist would probably go about the same as the argument here in this thread, no where. {shrugs}
I think all we can do is raise our own pets with all the love and best care that we can give them ourselves and make sure they have the best opportunities to live a long, happy life... not just merely "survive" as someone so appropriately said earlier.
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