Question about UK Rankin Dragons - Lawsons Dragons

[reptileaddictions]

Pogona brevis or Pogona henrylawsoni , I hope I picked the right section. I dont know where this best fit.
Years ago I used to breed Rankins. I had adults that had coloring in them. It became a major discussion on Fauna that they were considered to not be "pure" Rankin, but generations before mixed with Bearded Dragon. I sold all mine, even my breeders.
Now years later I aquired a female. (no color). I have been looking to purchase more for almost a year. I found someone who was selling a adult male and 7 babies. I saw pics on kingsnake. The seller said they were new from a UK bloodline. I purchased the adult male, and one baby. When I recieved them I noticed a different head structure on the adult than any Rankin I have ever had. He has fatty side jowles on his neck and he is able to portrude his lover neck- just like how Bearded Dragons push out their beard. It is my understanding that Rankins dont have the cartiledge in their necks to be able to do this. My concern is that I have yet again aquired some "Drankins".
Can anyone direct me to a site that would better explain the neck makeup of the 2, or someone who is an expert? At the bottom of the page on my website I am posting the first 2 pictures of my adult female. She looks like all the other Rankins I have had except no color. The 2nd 2 pictures are the male in question. The baby is 2 inches, so I am unable to tell yet, but supposedly from the same bloodlines as the adult male.
http://www.freewebs.com/rivercityreptiles/availabledragons.htm
Thank you for your help.

 

[CalienteDragons]

Hey Jeane,

I need to correct you on something, The Adult male you received from me is not in any way related to the baby you got, I told you this in on conversation over the phone, I also stated that I don't know the back ground on him.. He does puff his chin out at bit because he is a nasty little bugger! But in my opinion, and by looking at all the ranking I have here, even the imported ones, they all have a little bit of a beard, nothing like a bearded dragon, but there is a bit of one. I looked him over real good and he looked full Rankins to me, If he does have some pogona in him like 3 or 4 generations back like you suggested, there is no way for me to know that.. So no I would not call him a Drankin.. Do you have a picture of a Drankin to compare?

Heidi

 

[reptileaddictions]

I understood that the 2 rankins I got are "unrelated", I still think they are both hybrids. The adult male, based on his neck structure, the baby based on the colors.

I found some good info and photos on dragon huts website. She has pure rankins, as well as one she believes is a hybrid.She also has a sub adult male for sale, as comparison photos with the male you sent me you see a clearly different head/neck structure on hers compared to the male i got from Calientedragons/you. And based on baby pics, you will clearly see that pure rankins do NOT have any color.

"Meadow was sold to me as a pure Rankin's Dragon I am unsure of her exact background. She has the typical Rankin's patterning but does not look like the others and is a bit bigger although not by much. Although her previous owner claimed she was never bred, she came to me gravid and had a clutch last year but since then I have decided to not breed her due to the fact that there is limited availability of Rankin's in the US and she may be a hybrid, possibly a vitticeps. She not currently breeding but is a sweet and beloved pet."

PICTURE OF MEADOW- THE POSSIBLE HYBRID http://www.thedragonhut.com/uploads/...743/228620.jpg

AN ADULT MALE FOR SALE AT DRAGON HUT http://www.thedragonhut.com/uploads/...43/5201716.jpg

AN ADULT MALE FOR SALE AT DRAGON HUT http://www.thedragonhut.com/uploads/...43/6368753.jpg

AN ADULT MALE FOR SALE AT DRAGON HUT http://www.thedragonhut.com/uploads/...43/1071492.jpg

PURE RANKIN BABIES- NOTICE NO COLOR http://www.thedragonhut.com/uploads/...43/4848220.jpg

PURE RANKIN BABIES- NOTICE NO COLOR http://www.thedragonhut.com/uploads/...43/5735290.jpg

 

[CalienteDragons]

WOW Jeane,
Can you get your story straight? You just said you understand they are not related, but in your first post you said they supposedly are? Also on the phone we discussed the fact that they have color when they hatch, you said yours did too! Its funny you use Char's Rankins as an example, a few of my Rankin's are from Char and their babies hatched with hints of color too..
You got what I advertised, I sent you two RANKINS! You can argue all you want but in no way did I miss-lead you. If in fact they have bearded dragon lines in generations down the line, It is impossible to know that, you saw the picture with the babies having color so why did you make your purchase? That picture is of them barley out of the egg, does yours have color now? I was fair and offered you a refund not because I agree with you but because you are unhappy with your purchase and I want everyone to be happy..

I can not believe how you have just lied with what you wrote and our phone conversation! I think it is fair that you post this to get other opinions, but why be dishonest? I don’t get it?

 

[reptileaddictions]

Let me make this clear I DID NOT see the fauna posted colored rankins ad until YESTERDAY. What appears to be confusing you is that I THINK the baby rankin you sent us is related to the baby rankins with color you have posted on Fauna for sale. I am not/was not trying to state that the adult male is related to the baby. If I confsed anyone, my apology.
Also it has been well documented on fauna that we used to sell UNPURE rankins that had color. The Rankins we sold WITH COLOR were NOT 100% PURE RANKINS. Can I make that any more clear????

100% Rankins do not have jowels, beards, or color. As hatchlings or adults.

Bloodlines can be documented. We have some beardies that have 10 years worth of bloodline paperwork and reciepts, breeder info, names, numbers, emails. It's not so hard to keep organized if you care about the small gene pool. You however have no idea where these really came from, nor does the person you got them from- beyond a first name. You depect in your ad that you have more info than you really do. How do you know the guy who sold them didnt get them from the U.S.? YOU DONT. You have no idea if they are truly unrelated, or even what they are.

 

[reptileaddictions]

This has turned into a business transaction argument. That was NOT the topic of my first post, and I will not continue it here. The appropriate place for this is BOI, and that is where I will reply.
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139837