so I treated her and she still has them. Had a fecal done to test to see if it worked. It didn’t. So now she needs another four doses. I rescued her over a year ago and I think she had them for a very long time. I switched vets and they are the ones who found them. Will they ever go away? Also she had that bacteria PSEUDOMONAS. Which she was given Baytril. So my question is. If a dragon has the worms for a very long time. Can she ever recover and be rid of them? What do I do??
Pixies second fecal came back and she still has pinworms.
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Hi Puppy, do you know if it's a large number ? If she only has a small number then it's fine. Beardies naturally carry parasites and bacteria , it only needs treated if it's a high number and causing the dragon to be weak + not eating. Is she eating and can you post current pics of her, full body shots ?
I'm sorry she's been having these issues for so long, but they should both be easily taken care of if the vet treating her knows what they are doing...is your current vet a reptile specialist, or an exotics vet? Did they tell you on either the first fecal test or the second, or both fecal tests what her pinworm count or load was? And what medication did she take the first time, and what doseage for how long?
As far as the pseudomonas goes, did they tell you what her count or load was of it? And what dose of Baytril did they give you to treat it, and for how long?
Lot of questions, I know, lol...lastly, what symptoms was she having or is she still having that lead you to take her to the vet initially in the first place, when they did the first fecal and diagnosed her with pinworms? Have those symptoms improved at all since she finished the first round of meds? Or have her symptoms gotten continuously worse? Have you been giving her probiotics too this entire time?
Here's the deal: there's a reason you took her to the vet in the first place, so she must have been having either runny, very smelly stools, or a low appetite, or lethargy, or a combination of all of these, or maybe you even saw the pinworms in her poop. That being said, pinworms are not at all uncommon in reptiles, and a lot of vets will treat for pinworms with a very harsh med that can actually cause more problems than the poor thing had to begin with. Also, if they prescribed the wrong medication for the pinworms the first time around then this first med only served to make her feel worse. I'm going to assume that she has a high amount of pinworms and that's what has been causing her symptoms this entire time, and that the first vet just prescribed an ineffective medication the first time around, and probably did not give you probiotics to give her, so the first medication probably made her gastrointestinal system all out of whack in addition to not getting rid of the pinworms. So now she's actually worse, which is to be expected. As long as the medication she's NOW ON for the PINWORMS is the correct medication, and you start giving her probiotics daily along with the pinworm medication, she should start feeling better soon.
I don't think that the Pseudomonas is causing any issues at all in her, and Baytril is definitely not the correct drug to treat it even if it does need treated. Baytril is THE GO-TO broad-spectrum antibiotic for vets treating reptiles, but it's not going to be effective at all for Pseudomonas, nor does she probably need ANY treatment for the Pseudomonas. Pseudomonas is an opportunistic bacteria that is usually found in the stool of all reptiles, and it usually causes absolutely no issues at all UNLESS the dragon has an already existing immune system deficiency or other serious health problem or condition that is compromising her immune system. Only then will Pseudomonas cause any symptoms in a reptile or need to be treated. I know you said she's a rescue, so I have to ask, does she have any serious health issues, diagnosed diseases, or anything else going on that is compromising her immune system? If so, then if the Pseudomonas count is very high, and ONLY if they do blood work to confirm that a bacterial infection is causing her white blood cells to be very elevated (a fecal to detect a level of Pseudomonas that will cause an infection that needs to be treated is not something to medicate on, only blood work), then I'd medicate her to treat the Pseudomonas, but only then, and I would not prescribe Baytril at all as it won't treat it, they should prescribe Cefotaxime.
But again, I would never decide to treat a Pseudomonas infection based on finding it in a fecal test, as finding Pseudomonas on a fecal test does not at all tell you whether the Pseudomonas is causing any problems she is experiencing at all, only blood work will do that. And since she also has pinworms, which if detected on a fecal test in a high enough amount will absolutely cause her problems, I would only treat the pinworms with the appropriate medication, and definitely would not give her the Baytril at all.
As far as the pseudomonas goes, did they tell you what her count or load was of it? And what dose of Baytril did they give you to treat it, and for how long?
Lot of questions, I know, lol...lastly, what symptoms was she having or is she still having that lead you to take her to the vet initially in the first place, when they did the first fecal and diagnosed her with pinworms? Have those symptoms improved at all since she finished the first round of meds? Or have her symptoms gotten continuously worse? Have you been giving her probiotics too this entire time?
Here's the deal: there's a reason you took her to the vet in the first place, so she must have been having either runny, very smelly stools, or a low appetite, or lethargy, or a combination of all of these, or maybe you even saw the pinworms in her poop. That being said, pinworms are not at all uncommon in reptiles, and a lot of vets will treat for pinworms with a very harsh med that can actually cause more problems than the poor thing had to begin with. Also, if they prescribed the wrong medication for the pinworms the first time around then this first med only served to make her feel worse. I'm going to assume that she has a high amount of pinworms and that's what has been causing her symptoms this entire time, and that the first vet just prescribed an ineffective medication the first time around, and probably did not give you probiotics to give her, so the first medication probably made her gastrointestinal system all out of whack in addition to not getting rid of the pinworms. So now she's actually worse, which is to be expected. As long as the medication she's NOW ON for the PINWORMS is the correct medication, and you start giving her probiotics daily along with the pinworm medication, she should start feeling better soon.
I don't think that the Pseudomonas is causing any issues at all in her, and Baytril is definitely not the correct drug to treat it even if it does need treated. Baytril is THE GO-TO broad-spectrum antibiotic for vets treating reptiles, but it's not going to be effective at all for Pseudomonas, nor does she probably need ANY treatment for the Pseudomonas. Pseudomonas is an opportunistic bacteria that is usually found in the stool of all reptiles, and it usually causes absolutely no issues at all UNLESS the dragon has an already existing immune system deficiency or other serious health problem or condition that is compromising her immune system. Only then will Pseudomonas cause any symptoms in a reptile or need to be treated. I know you said she's a rescue, so I have to ask, does she have any serious health issues, diagnosed diseases, or anything else going on that is compromising her immune system? If so, then if the Pseudomonas count is very high, and ONLY if they do blood work to confirm that a bacterial infection is causing her white blood cells to be very elevated (a fecal to detect a level of Pseudomonas that will cause an infection that needs to be treated is not something to medicate on, only blood work), then I'd medicate her to treat the Pseudomonas, but only then, and I would not prescribe Baytril at all as it won't treat it, they should prescribe Cefotaxime.
But again, I would never decide to treat a Pseudomonas infection based on finding it in a fecal test, as finding Pseudomonas on a fecal test does not at all tell you whether the Pseudomonas is causing any problems she is experiencing at all, only blood work will do that. And since she also has pinworms, which if detected on a fecal test in a high enough amount will absolutely cause her problems, I would only treat the pinworms with the appropriate medication, and definitely would not give her the Baytril at all.
Okay, so her pinworm count is pretty high, so I wouldn't expect her to want to eat at all. What medication did they give you this time around to treat the pinworms, and what's the doseage? What medication did she already take the first time around for the pinworms?
I'm still not at all convinced about treating the Pseudomonas, even though oddly it shows as resistant to Cefota and that Baytril is the right antibiotic. She didn't test positive for Pseudomonas on her first fecal test, did she? And did you completely disinfect her entire enclosure and everything in it with either bleach or F10 after she was first diagnosed?
What did you order from Tracie, probiotics? That's good if you did, has she had any yet? If you're still waiting on them to arrive in the mail, I would highly suggest running to the grocery store or Walmart and buying a container of non-dairy Soy Yogurt (I know all Walmarts and most grocery stores have Silk Brand Soy Yogurt in with the regular yogurt, they usually like the fruit flavors like strawberry or raspberry, blueberry, etc.). You can try dripping some of the Soy yogurt on her snout to see if she'll lick it off, and give her as much as she will willingly lick off, then you may have to go to using an oral syringe and giving her a little more that way, by inserting the tip of the filled oral syringe under her upper lip on the side of her mouth, back near her ear, Then slowly slide the tip of the oral syringe up her mouth, towards the tip of her snout, keeping the tip of the oral syringe under her upper lip the entire time you're sliding it towards the tip of her snout. When the tip of the oral syringe gets to the tip of her snout, she will automatically open her mouth, and at that point you can gently push in a little of the Soy Yogurt, not much, just a bit, let her swallow it, then start over again by inserting the tip of the oral syringe under her upper lip, back near her ear, and just keep repeating this process until you get 1ml-2ml of the Soy Yogurt in her tummy. You can use this method to "force-feed" her anything that can be fed using an oral syringe, it works really well and it's not at all stressful to the dragon or to you, unlike a lot of other "force-feeding" methods.
The Soy Yogurt not only contains probiotics that will replace the healthy bacteria in her gastrointestinal tract, but it will also coat her stomach and help to settle it, which may very well perk up her appetite.
Out of curiosity, you said she's a "rescue" dragon, so what is her general health like overall (forgetting the pinworms)? Has she been healthy, active, and eating normally during the year you've had her, up until pinworms? Any major health issues? And how old is she?
If you can post some photos like AHBD asked it will help too...I'm hoping Tracie sees this post and the Culture/Sensitivity results, I want her opinion on treating the Pseudomonas. It's very odd to me that the first fecal she had done tested only positive for the pinworms and not the Pseudomonas...Pseudomonas Aeruginosa is a very common bacteria that is found everywhere, on our skin, pretty much everywhere, and again, it is an Opportunistic Bacteria, meaning it doesn't typically cause problems or symptoms of illness at all (because it's so prevalent and common to find everywhere) unless the animal already has another medical issue that is suppressing their immune system. So I want Tracie's opinion on whether or not she thinks that this Pseudomonas Aerg., found only by a fecal culture and not confirmed to be causing a problem by blood work, needs to be treated with Baytril at all. I don't like giving her both the antiparasitic med for the pinworms, which she absolutely needs and I think is the root of all the gastrointestinal issues, and then the antibiotic at the same time, which is most likely unnecessary. Too many meds are going to create more problems...
I'm still not at all convinced about treating the Pseudomonas, even though oddly it shows as resistant to Cefota and that Baytril is the right antibiotic. She didn't test positive for Pseudomonas on her first fecal test, did she? And did you completely disinfect her entire enclosure and everything in it with either bleach or F10 after she was first diagnosed?
What did you order from Tracie, probiotics? That's good if you did, has she had any yet? If you're still waiting on them to arrive in the mail, I would highly suggest running to the grocery store or Walmart and buying a container of non-dairy Soy Yogurt (I know all Walmarts and most grocery stores have Silk Brand Soy Yogurt in with the regular yogurt, they usually like the fruit flavors like strawberry or raspberry, blueberry, etc.). You can try dripping some of the Soy yogurt on her snout to see if she'll lick it off, and give her as much as she will willingly lick off, then you may have to go to using an oral syringe and giving her a little more that way, by inserting the tip of the filled oral syringe under her upper lip on the side of her mouth, back near her ear, Then slowly slide the tip of the oral syringe up her mouth, towards the tip of her snout, keeping the tip of the oral syringe under her upper lip the entire time you're sliding it towards the tip of her snout. When the tip of the oral syringe gets to the tip of her snout, she will automatically open her mouth, and at that point you can gently push in a little of the Soy Yogurt, not much, just a bit, let her swallow it, then start over again by inserting the tip of the oral syringe under her upper lip, back near her ear, and just keep repeating this process until you get 1ml-2ml of the Soy Yogurt in her tummy. You can use this method to "force-feed" her anything that can be fed using an oral syringe, it works really well and it's not at all stressful to the dragon or to you, unlike a lot of other "force-feeding" methods.
The Soy Yogurt not only contains probiotics that will replace the healthy bacteria in her gastrointestinal tract, but it will also coat her stomach and help to settle it, which may very well perk up her appetite.
Out of curiosity, you said she's a "rescue" dragon, so what is her general health like overall (forgetting the pinworms)? Has she been healthy, active, and eating normally during the year you've had her, up until pinworms? Any major health issues? And how old is she?
If you can post some photos like AHBD asked it will help too...I'm hoping Tracie sees this post and the Culture/Sensitivity results, I want her opinion on treating the Pseudomonas. It's very odd to me that the first fecal she had done tested only positive for the pinworms and not the Pseudomonas...Pseudomonas Aeruginosa is a very common bacteria that is found everywhere, on our skin, pretty much everywhere, and again, it is an Opportunistic Bacteria, meaning it doesn't typically cause problems or symptoms of illness at all (because it's so prevalent and common to find everywhere) unless the animal already has another medical issue that is suppressing their immune system. So I want Tracie's opinion on whether or not she thinks that this Pseudomonas Aerg., found only by a fecal culture and not confirmed to be causing a problem by blood work, needs to be treated with Baytril at all. I don't like giving her both the antiparasitic med for the pinworms, which she absolutely needs and I think is the root of all the gastrointestinal issues, and then the antibiotic at the same time, which is most likely unnecessary. Too many meds are going to create more problems...
Well no food in, no poop out...has she been passing any urates? Are you force-feeding her anything? The Psyllium Husk is very good for constipation and/or an impaction, but what are you mixing it with? I'm not caught up with what you've been feeding her since she stopped eating on her own...
She was given bedroll I believe it was the milligrams was marked on the syringe for 10 days I did give her probiotics and I also have been back with probiotics which I give her also Pedialyte to keep her hydrated she just hasn’t been eating much. I do have the vet cleaner and when I found out she had pinworms
I made sure I cleaned everything and sanitized everything. But now she still has them so I will redo her stuff again. When I clean out her tank every week I use the cleaner and spray everything. What else
Should I do?
I ordered dewormer from Tracie. Should I give her that? And I have gotten squash baby food to mix probiotics in. Given by a syringe. I wish y’all lived closer. Lol
I made sure I cleaned everything and sanitized everything. But now she still has them so I will redo her stuff again. When I clean out her tank every week I use the cleaner and spray everything. What else
Should I do?
I ordered dewormer from Tracie. Should I give her that? And I have gotten squash baby food to mix probiotics in. Given by a syringe. I wish y’all lived closer. Lol
What a sweet, beautiful face she has. 
A " fall in love with" beardie face [ only us lizard lovers know!]
She is a beauty but is quite overweight. She can hold off on eating for a long time if she were brumating but since she's still awake she needs some food but def. a very reduced amount. Sometimes being that heavy will simply kill the appetite .When she does start eating she should only be given a couple of insects per day to keep her liver functioning and try to get some greens in her if at all possible. But weight reduction should be a goal after this is all over. Best wishes to Pixie !
A " fall in love with" beardie face [ only us lizard lovers know!]She is a beauty but is quite overweight. She can hold off on eating for a long time if she were brumating but since she's still awake she needs some food but def. a very reduced amount. Sometimes being that heavy will simply kill the appetite .When she does start eating she should only be given a couple of insects per day to keep her liver functioning and try to get some greens in her if at all possible. But weight reduction should be a goal after this is all over. Best wishes to Pixie !
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Not so sure that was a good idea .... may actually make an impaction worse if too much fibre is ingested as phylluim husk.
see https://www.livestrong.com/article/485394-how-much-psyllium-husk-powder-to-take-for-constipation/
No poo since 21 Sept , now 16 Oct = 16+9 = 25 days ! .... that would be bad if you had a dragon who was eating normally, does the treating vet know about this ?
I'd cut the psyllium husk and try to get more fluids and some olive oil (0.4ml per day) into her in the hope it might moisten the stool and lubricate the plumbing.
No more solids at all til she get rid of the putrifying poo and food in her gut. Liquid foods ONLY til she poos or the vet gives you a clearance.
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