ParaZap & Pink Jelly Like Urates

[FaaFaa]

I have been using the ParaZap product off and on now and this is what happens to Lucys poo...

It's not the best pic, but it gives you the basic idea.

For those of you not familiar with the product here is what it claims to do...
Because Para-zap is made of 100% natural ingredients, overdosing is not a concern. Para-zap is a food supplement, not a medicine or drug. It allows your pet's body to gently eliminate the parasites. Para-zap contains ingredients that revitalize the intestinal track to increase the absorption of food which makes your pet more healthy. We have received many reports of pet owners seeing an increase in the appetite after giving Para-zap for a few days. Slow growing or lethargic pets benefit greatly from a few doses of Para-zap.

I also sent an e-mail off to the company...
I received your ParaZap product on Tuesday Feb. 2nd. On Feb. 3rd I started my female Bearded Dragon Lucy on it. I made it per the enclosed instructions and gave her 6mls in the am and pm for 7 days. I was not concerned with parasites, but was using it as a precautionary measure and I was hoping that her appetite would also pick up. The last day of the treatment I noticed that her urates were pink and jelly like, I was a little concerned, but it didn't not happen again. There was no change in her behavior or her appetite so I waited 10 days, which was yesterday and decided since there was no change that I would do another 7days of the ParaZap. First thing this morning she had the pink jelly like urates again. Can you please tell me what this is and why this happens when I use your product on her? I have attached a pic, it's not the best, but you will be able to get the idea. I think that is a little alarming to see her urates looking like this. Also, I have not seen any change in her eating whatsoever. Why? Am I doing something wrong? Any input that you can give me would be great.

Can anyone give me any input as to what might be going on here? I'm scared to continue use of this product until I get feedback from someone. If I get a reply e-mail from ParaZap I will post it here. Thanks to everyone out there for helping me on this.

 

[FaaFaa]

Here is the reply that I got from ParaZap...
Hi Jennifer. I think your are doing every thing right. Parazap not only kills parasites but flushes the urinary track and the liver. I have seen my dragons pass some nasty stuff. I am surprised that your dragon hasn’t showed signs of increased energy yet but don’t give up. No one has ever lost a dragon using Parazap so the only thing I would recommend is that you make the tea stronger this time. Hope this helps. Keep me in touch. Val
Not sure that I will increase the strength of the product, or even continue to use it as she suggested. I am suprised at how fast she responded though!

 

[DragonMomSandy]

Parazap is an all natural product, however, the way that it works is basically by causing diahrrea and flushing the system. Any time a dragon gets diahrrea, there is a concern with dehydration. If you choose to continue using this product, make sure you are giving plenty of baths and even oral hydration to your dragon. I have not heard of any dragons dying from it's use, however, I do have concerns about using something that causes diahrrea in a dragon. I also find it rather concerning that the urates are pink/red and jelly like. I would stop use of this product for now, and contact your vet, leaning toward the side of caution. There could be something else going on that needs attention. IMO, I think the standard dosing recommended with the product is rather high. I have chosen, for now, not to use this product on my own dragons. That is a personal choice I have made based on wanting to know more about this product and see some solid, independant research before I consider it, I tend to be very cautious of anything I give to my dragons as I am not willing to risk their health in any way. I would also suggest sending a PM to Tracie (drache613) and include the pic you posted. Tracie is a fabulous, knowledgeable source of info and can possibly shed a little more light on your situation and give you some solid recommendations.

 

[FaaFaa]

Thanks Sandy! I did send Tracie a PM. I have stopped using the product for now, I'm not so sure I will ever use it again. I got the product because it claims to be a preventative (sp?) for parasites AND to increase appetite. We went thru both of my beardies having pinworms and coccidia. It isn't anything I want to go thru again and I thought that this product would help with that. Also, Lucy isn't really eating well so I saw the claim for increased appetite as a bonus. I have since ordered Jump Start, it will be here on Monday; and Freeie recommended Reptaid so that should be here in a few days as well. I'm not concerned about parasites she isn't showing any of the signs of them, just the appetite. But that could be so many different things. Thanks again for your input and help!

 

[DragonMomSandy]

You can also do "bug slurries" to help boost the amount of food/protein she is getting. I would consider having the vet do another fecal and possibly some blood work. You may be dealing with an underlying condition that is causing the lack of appetite. How long ago was the treatment for pins and coccidia? If the final treatments were recent, it may be that Lucy's system hasn't quite bounced back yet. Remember, treatments for parasites and coccidia kill good gut flora as well, so you may need to get a product that will boost the natural levels back up and balance them out. Acidopholiz, Bene-bac and soy yogurt are all good ways to accomphlish this. Let us know how she's doing!

 

[puffsmama]

Hi Jen--

yes I do have the ParaZap and thought it would be a good thing to have on hand, and to use not monthly, but maybe every 2 - 3 months as a preventative since I am feeding crickets. So I had decided I would do it for 5 days every 2 - 3 months. I made the tea once, but have since just been sprinkling a small amount on her crickets for the days I give it.
Thus far, I have only done one 5 day course with it. I started it because I noticed that Kiera has some pretty strong smelling poo, and I wondered if she had an increased count of parasites. I already knew that if she were to have parasites, I would rather try natural remedies versus the prescription meds, however, if Kiera ever acts symptomatic or sick, I will not hesitate to take her to the vet. But...she wasn't acting ill at all, just her poo smelled so strong.
So, I did the 5 day course, sprinkling about a quarter of a teaspoon of the powder on her crickets...she chowed them down as always. I noticed that on the 2nd day after starting the Parazap, her poo was no longer foul smelling. I did this about 4 weeks ago, and her poo still is not foul smelling!! As far as her urates, they stayed white. And she really did not have diarrhea from it. She just had some good sized poops, but they were still formed and had the urate. I did not have anything like what you showed in the pic.
I like having the parazap on hand just in case I would have any trouble. Oh, and on the days I used it, I would give her water off my finger every time I come in my room as well as I gave her nice long warm baths every day.
Hope this helps!! I just don't know what caused your urates to be gelled.
Cindy & Kiera

 

[FaaFaa]

Yea, the last 3 days I have been feeding her slurries, just veggies though, because she loves her buggies! The treatment for the coccidia and pinworms was Nov/Dec time frame. We did the acidipholiz after for a few weeks. My only concern thru this whole thing has been that Lucy used to eat 2 plates of salad a day, and now a few nibbles a week is all she eats on her own. She eats her bugs like crazy. She loves supers and roaches. As far as the appetite this is what I was thinking; the produce isn't so great in the winter so maybe it tastes a little different, her brother has been an hormonal idoit in and out of brumation since the beginning of Jan, she will be a year in April so maybe a final growth spurt which would require more protien??? Here is a link to my thread, viewtopic.php?f=49&t=114597, everything is in there about them and how I care for them a long with tons of pics. If you have a chance look at it, maybe you'll find something in there that would be the answer that I've been looking for. The Jump Start will be here Monday and I had planned on using that to see if it helps. I stil have acidipholiz, can I use that along with the Jump Start? What are your thought?

Thanks Cindy...thanks for your input here. I'm glad that Kiera didn't respond to this the way that Lucy did, but then again we used it differently; wonder if that made a difference. I was concerned about dehydration too so on the days that we used it we had 2 20min baths instead of just 1. I don't know, after the way that Lucy responded I'm not sure I will use it again. I did ues it longer than you though... ugh, who knows....

 

[Freeie]

I never heard of the ParaZap intill your thread. Only product i knew about that was natural was the Repta-aid(not the fluckers kind). I used it on Chimaira when his poo smelled stronger than normal(i was feeding 100% crickets as his bugs) after the 10 days on 2 days off 10 days on it was gone.

 

[FaaFaa]

I never heard of the ParaZap intill your thread. Only product i knew about that was natural was the Repta-aid(not the fluckers kind). I used it on Chimaira when his poo smelled stronger than normal(i was feeding 100% crickets as his bugs) after the 10 days on 2 days off 10 days on it was gone.

Yea, I ordered the Reptaid after you cleared that all up for me. Thank you! I thought that was what I had, but it was the Flukers stuff! The names are too darn close, it confused me!

Lucy had a poo after the pink one and it was normal, so hopefully that trend continues. She didn't eat any veggies again today, but she ate 12 dusted supers. I think she wants to be strickly carnivore.

 

[Drache613]

Hello,

Sorry for the delay. How is your girl doing?
The Parazap is very strong, but pretty effective. I only recommend using it for a 7-10 day MAX regime, & only a few times a year. I definitely would not increase the amount of it though.
I am glad that you discontinued the use of it right now. Perhaps her system needed some cleaning out though after having been on medication at the end of last year. That could be what happened, the kidneys may have gotten cleaned out with the Parazap, as well as the liver. Medications have to filter through the liver, & then their specialized kidneys recycle their uric acid. That will affect the color of their urates as well, especially medications & supplements that are strong.
You can give jumpstart & acidophiliz together, that is no problem. They are different substances so they should work fine together.
Did she eat anything today?


Tracie

 

[FaaFaa]

Thanks for responding Tracie, I was really curious about what you thought of all of this. When she was on the Panacur she had 3 doses; 1 dose per week for 3 weeks. She was also on Albon for 3 weeks as well. I could see where her system would need cleaned out that makes perfect sense. She has been eating her buggies like a champ, 13 calcium dusted supers yesterday. It's her veggies that I can't get her to eat, that was why I wanted to try the ParaZap. I have since realized that I had the wrong reptaid, I had the Flukers kind instead of the other one. I ordered the correct reptaid yesterday. I know you said that the ParaZap was OK to use a few times a year, but would the Reptaid be safer? More effective? I've been reading the thread on Reptaid and it seems to work for most, but not all. Maybe that is the case with the ParaZap too. I wish that you could get ParaZap to participate in a similar thread to talk about the product. I do think that they need to make people aware of what might come out the back end when using this product. Anytime something like that comes out the backend of any animal is a little alarming if you are not prepared for it. Thanks again for your input Tracie. I was told by a few different people to get your input on this, so I know that I can put a lot of value into your words and thoughts on this, thanks again.

 

[puffsmama]

Maybe we could invite the ParaZap folks to come on here and talk more about their product for us.

 

[FaaFaa]

Maybe we could invite the ParaZap folks to come on here and talk more about their product for us.

Would I need permission from any moderatores to do that? Or could I just shoot Val from ParaZap an e-mail? I don't see why they wouldn't accept the invitaion, especially if their product is as good as they claim it to be.

 

[puffsmama]

I would ask Tracie, just to make sure. Of course, she will be back here on your thread too to follow up and check in and see how Lucy is doing. So we could just wait for her here

 

[FaaFaa]

Cindy~~ Is Kiera a picky dragon? I ask b/c you said that you dusted her crickets with the ParaZap instead of making the tea. I know that this would be a way easier way to get it into your dragon and a lot less stressfull for everyone involved. Did you have any trouble getting her to eat the ParaZap dusted crickets? Chaos will eat anything that is dusted with calcium, it's like crack to him; but I can't do the same thing with his vitamins. Lucy is pretty funny too. She was just fine with anything that was calcium dusted and then I changed brands; it took her awhile to adjust. If I use the ParaZap again I think I will be using your approach to see how it goes that way. I think that more than likely what was happening is that like Tracie said, Lucys system just needed a good flush. I was just so scared though when I saw those urates, all I could think was blood or maybe that she had shed her intestinal lining... I feel much better now though and I am glad that I posted this thread, I wasn't going to in the beginning.