Off-balance, seizures(?), twitchiness.

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What UVB bulb are you using? Is it a coil or a tube? Compact tube. I know the Reptisun 10.0 is ideal.
What kind of tank are you using and what are its dimensions? 20 gallon Reptihabitat starter kit.
What are the basking spot temps, the cool side temps, and with what type of thermometer are you taking those temps? Daytime basking is 100, give or take 2 or 3. Cool is about 75-80, warm is 85-90. Nighttime, those temps drop almost exactly 10 degrees. Thermometer strip in the center near basking area, single analog to monitor temps on warm and cool side until second analog arrives (backorder).
Is the UVB bulb inside the tank or outside? How far is it from the basking spot? Outside tucked right next to the basking spot (it umbrellas over the whole warm side), but we remove the screen for most of the day. We refuse to put the bulb inside the tank, as it poses a burning risk if when he decides to get adventurous.
How much is Kaleidoscope eating each day so far? One feeding of 10-15 crickets in the morning, offered pellets throughout the day, and greens every other day. He is offered a second feeding of crickets and rarely takes any interest.
Is your basking bulb a white light? Yep, 100 watt basking light.
Are you using something for night time heat? Infrared light and under-tank heater on one side. We kill the light when temps allow, but our house doesn't insulate well and a rough winter is setting in. He sleeps shielded from the light in his cave. We move him there after he's fallen asleep, otherwise he happily sleeps in a cool corner in open light. Always sleeps all night, doesn't wake until we turn on the basking light and uvb. No naps during the day. Wakes at about 630am, sleeps usually between 830-930pm (I work evenings so I don't know exactly when he falls asleep).
Substrate is sand, switching to carpet on Monday, it's en route. Because of the sand, we have always fed him his crickets in a separate large tote. His diet pellets remain in the viv and are sifted every day to remove sand.

Bought Kaleidoscope from Petsmart 11/23. Happy, well-adjusted. Immediately calmed and settled even with inquisitive cats. Weird appetite. He was about 6-7 weeks old and would only take one morning feeding of crickets. Would show no interest in evening crickets, but again devoured his prey every morning. Still does. =)

Pet store told us with Flaker's Orange cubes for the crickets, no further supplementing was necessary. -growl-

Tuesday (Dec 3) Kaleidoscope began exhibiting odd behavior, shaking, falling over, missing his crickets when he attacked them but still had an appetite. Would usually catch on second attempt. Immediately bathed and dusted crickets with calcium sample that came with his Reptihabitat starter kit. Began keeping top screen off (we have cats, but now we lock them out during the day) so that he could get full benefits of UVB.

Wednesday, symptoms worsened. Woke normally, eyes opened slowly after the UVB and basking light were turned on and then lifted his head. Immediately began to shake, possible seizure that didn't last more than a full 2 seconds.

Bathed again, dusted crickets again. Made appointment for Thursday with nearby vet who has seen and treated many reptiles and owns a few of her own. Not a certified Herp, but our only option for the moment.

Pooped normally, moist but not runny with proper white/black coloring. Also pooped normally Tuesday.

Thursday- Drastic improvement. Steady on his feet, did miss just one or two crickets on his first lunge, but caught all and had huge morning appetite. No odd behavior or movements at all. Also munched on collard throughout the day. No interest in crickets at night. Cancelled vet appointment with promise to closely monitor and reschedule if symptoms resurfaced.

Bathed (much more energetic and playful this time!) and dusted with calcium again. Herptivite en route via Amazon.

No poop that I saw, I may have missed it.

Friday: Normal routine until cricket feeding. Lights come on at 6am, feeding at about 7:45. He is RAVENOUS. Chases after crickets and pounces. Normally he waits patiently for them to cross his path and lunges. It's an adorable sight until he bumps his head into the side of the feeding tote and suddenly starts shaking and jumping uncontrollably. Reddit user suggested before taking a video, so here it is. The video makes me cry (also wacky hormones but whatevs, yanno). What's wrong with my baby??

At this point, calcium deficiency is first thought, sand in the ear is the second, but he also has a habit of taking flying leaps from shoulders and waists. When we were putting the decorative paper on the back of his tank (just a desert scene), he watched it and then dove head first into the glass...I love the little guy but he's not all that bright yet. Head injury is our third thought.

He's scheduled to see the vet tomorrow (Saturday) at 11, but if anyone has seen this behavior before, please do advise.

Edit: Please note: This is not the same behavior that he exhibited on Tuesday and Wednesday. The jumping around uncontrollably is new.

Kind of Update: Just made a second attempt to give crickets and he was much steadier on his feet. Hungry but not ravenous, he once again waited for his prey to cross his path before pouncing. Well-balanced and no more shaking/jumping.
 

AHBD

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Hi there....he sure is a cutie, and lots of energy. :) So those symptoms can be caused by several things, you already mentioned calcium deficiency, that's one. Another thing it can be is crickets being too large. Are any of his crix bigger than the one seen in the video ? If so , they may be pressing on his spine once he eats them and cause neurological symptoms. Also, inner ear infection [ I doubt that's it ] There is adenovirus that can cause it, but it would be hard to guess right now what it is. Be sure to offer crix that are slightly smaller than the one in the video, or at least no bigger than that....see if that makes a difference. Oh, one more thing....when you say he takes flying leaps from your waist 0r shoulder, is he falling from that height ? If so, that could have done some damage. You must be careful that he doesn't fall from any heights, this can break bones as well as cause brain damage. I hope it's nothing serious + I hope your cutie will be O.K. !
 

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Hi. Get rid of the compact its not good for him. He needs a reptisun 10.0 Tube mounted in the tank. Have you been dusting his feeders with calcium and vitamins?
 

melissaha

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Hi there, my little beardie actually went through the exact same thing your little guy is going through. Here's a link to his story http://www.beardeddragon.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=200834

To this day i'm still not sure what it was but he did get better! One thing i would watch for is when he seizures is that he doesn't roll onto his back and get stuck, i modified tiny boss' tank so that if he did flip around while i was at work there was at least a chance he could get back on his feet (i bought a ferret hammock from petsmart and wrapped that around his log and made a "ramp" with it).
Just keep feeding him as much as he will eat, dusting all crickets with calcium and a nice warm bath every day or two :) hopefully your little guy is feeling better soon! Mine was doing almost 100% better after about a week and a half and has been fine ever since (it's been 3 months now since it all happened)
if you ever have any questions, feel free to message me :) i know how scary it can be watching them act like that :(
 

hirochihachi

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AHBD - He has been falling from that height, yes. Lots of energy as you saw, and I'm definitely afraid one of his flying leaps could have caused damage. We're keeping a close eye. Hubby saw the video and said it looked like Kal was trying to tell me to back off and let him have his crickets, but he had no interest in his prey at that point.

Will definitely monitor the cricket size more carefully and see if that helps.

Destiny - Feeders have been dusted since Tuesday. I went over a week believing that gutloading the crickets on Orange Cubes was sufficient as per pet store advice. Lesson learned.

Melissa: What a big beautiful baby! You did amazing feeding him back to health. You used actual human baby food? Any particular flavor that is safer than others? What a scary experience, I know the feeling for sure. Thanks for your story, it's definitely encouraging, as is Kal's improved health. The rest of the day was relatively normal, including bath time =)
 

melissaha

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Yupp actual baby food lol :) I find all my beardies like sweet potato (even the picky ones), just check the ingredients and make sure there's no added sugars or acid, just the fruits/veggies and water. I give it to all of mine as a treat once in awhile :) my biggest will eat it right off a spoon and with tiny boss I use a syringe from the drug store
 

hirochihachi

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Oooh I'm excited now, gonna go out and get him some in the morning. I'm all about spoiling that little runt =D Thanks for the idea! I'll take a look into the reptiboost too, but I think once his Heptivite arrives, that should help too.
 

Drache613

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Hello,

Let us know how things go at the vets.
He is way too small to have a blood test done though.
I concur with the majority, overall. There are not too many ailments that it could be.
Hypocalcemia is likely with the use of the compact/coil light. When did this behavior begin?
A thiamin deficiency, which can mimic the signs of calcium issues is a possibility, but not as likely.
It could be too low of humidity which can cause dehydration & loss of balance. A viral issue such as Adeno is also a possibility as well.

The crickets do need to be smaller than the space between the eyes to avoid impaction.
Baby food is great, it works very well for them.

How tall is your 20 gallon tank? It has a screen top correct?
Once you get either a Reptisun 10 tube or an Arcadia D3 12% tube bulb, I highly recommend mounting it underneath of the screen top to increase the exposure of the UVB. The fine screen can reduce the UVB emissions by over 30% in most cases which drastically cuts down on the UVB exposure your dragon will receive.

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