not shedding/eating gimpy tale and some dmg

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Well i got my 1st beardie last august from a local pet store there was about 20 of them all 2 weeks old so i picked out not the most active one but the one i thought looked the most flawless from what i have learned its an "albino citrus" and i know for sure its a female! everything went great for the first few months i guess i can say mid december i noticed a a lack of apatite around this time i also changed from papertowel bedding to childs play sand (fine). about a month after i was told from numerous sources that sand can turn to clay in a beardies belly and cause impaction so changed the bedding to aspen wood shavings used for hamsters cus it breaks down easier. i use a 10.0 uvb bulb and a "outdoor 90 watt flood light halogen bulb" for the basking area ( air temp 1 inch from ground under light is about 105* room temp is 85*) i have a waterfall with a misting machine for fresh water and humidity control a hut in the basking area and one at the opposite end of the tank . the tank its self is 5 ft long by 2ft deep by 2ft high now from wat i know this should be a flawless set up but my beardie has not shed in almost 4 months and maybe eats 1 cricket a day ( yes i use rep-cal and rep-cals herptivite with every feeding since she eats so little) i thought maybe it was lonely so i got a male beardie to toss in wih her all that did was produce eggs and make her more weak so now he lives in a different room/tank she is now just over a ft. long and should be at least 16-18 inches does anyone know y shes like this? any ideas on how to boost her apatite i have tried numerous greens worms crickets (dead and alive) and live pinkys also her tale never fully grew! a quarter way down the tale goes really small and its hard but she can still wiggle it so i know its alive....the very tip of it did die and breakoff though but it was no more than 1cm also a few scales seem have died thay turned a dark yellowish color and caved in and remember she has not shed or had any signs of shedding for 4 months!!!!! i recently lost my job so a vet is out of the question for now! not to mention there isnt any exotic pet veterinarians anywhere near me. SO PLEASE ANY QUESTIONS COMMENTS SUGGESTIONS CRITICISM LET ME HAVE IT ^.^


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Embee

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SO PLEASE ANY QUESTIONS COMMENTS SUGGESTIONS CRITICISM LET ME HAVE IT ^.^

Alright, I take a stab at it. :wink: There are a few things in your post that stand out, and I will address those, and then, perhaps we can troubleshoot. Sorry about losing your job. There is way too much of that going around these days. *sigh* Hope something comes up for you soon.

Well i got my 1st beardie last august from a local pet store there was about 20 of them all 2 weeks old

I was a little alarmed to learn here that pet stores often sell beardies way too young. This was our scenario as well. If our beardie was 3 weeks, I'd be surprised. She was tiny at just 4 inches, nose to tail tip. As it turns out, as a reputable breeder will tell you, beardies really shouldn't be sold before they are 6 inches or so. *sigh* Not that it has anything to do with her growth/health issues per se, but selling them off young, could be a contributing factor.

everything went great for the first few months i guess i can say mid december i noticed a a lack of apatite around this time i also changed from papertowel bedding to childs play sand (fine). about a month after i was told from numerous sources that sand can turn to clay in a beardies belly and cause impaction so changed the bedding to aspen wood shavings used for hamsters cus it breaks down easier.

Good that you got rid of the sand, but generally, loose substrates of ANY kind, including shavings, are not recommended for beardies, especially juveniles. All carry impaction risk if ingested, and also, loose substrates have a much higher chance of harboring bacteria. The most recommended substrates here are: tile, slate, repti-carpet, or *you guessed it* paper towel.


What is the BRAND of your UVB, and what type of bulb; tube, coil, compact? How old it the light/when was it last replaced?

and a "outdoor 90 watt flood light halogen bulb" for the basking area ( air temp 1 inch from ground under light is about 105* room temp is 85*)

I'm not sure if I'm understanding your temps properly. Temps in the basking spot/area should be 105-110, ambient temps 85-90, and cool side, about 80. What type of thermometer are you using to take temps?

i have a waterfall with a misting machine for fresh water and humidity

Ok, this stuck WAY out for me. First, sounds lovely, BUT, it would seem to me that this sort of tank feature would cause serious issues for beardie. They are a desert lizard, and need a dry environment. Are you using a hygrometer (testing humidity levels)? If so, what are they? Tank humidity should be between 30-50%. Being desert animals, high humidity levels can cause medical issues such as skin fungus, mouth rot, and most seriously, respiratory infections. And high humidity for a beardie, is well, pretty low (see above numbers), relatively speaking.

the tank its self is 5 ft long by 2ft deep by 2ft high now from wat i know this should be a flawless set up but my beardie has not shed in almost 4 months and maybe eats 1 cricket a day ( yes i use rep-cal and rep-cals herptivite with every feeding since she eats so little)

It is tough when they aren't doing well. I've recently come through a similar time with our beardie.

i thought maybe it was lonely so i got a male beardie to toss in wih her all that did was produce eggs and make her more weak so now he lives in a different room/tank

Whew, I'm glad you removed the male. In most cases, beardies should never be housed together. Particularly males, with either sex. Even if they appear to "get along" there are usually dominance issues going on that cause stress to both, but in particular, the subordinate dragon. Dragons are solitary animals, and do not long for other dragon company... only ours. :wink:

she is now just over a ft. long and should be at least 16-18 inches does anyone know y shes like this?

By my calculations, she's about 7 months old? 12 inches is smallish, yes, but not overly so. Of course, I'm getting to be an expert these days with the small beardie... ours, due to using a compact UVB light in the beginning, got off to a very slow start. She's 5+ months and 6 1/2 inches. We've since changed her environment, and she's eating a ton, and thriving however, so hopefully there is something you can do for your enclosure that will help your beardie get back on the right track.

any ideas on how to boost her apatite

Not as of yet, but when you answer the questions I've asked, perhaps we can find something that's causing her issues. Very possibly, it's a combination of things.

i have tried numerous greens worms crickets (dead and alive) and live pinkys

I may be wrong on this, but I imagine a pinky might be too much for a 12 inch beardie. That said, I've never seen one up close... rule is, no live feeders bigger than the space between beardies eyes.

also her tale never fully grew! a quarter way down the tale goes really small and its hard but she can still wiggle it so i know its alive....the very tip of it did die and breakoff though but it was no more than 1cm also a few scales seem have died thay turned a dark yellowish color and caved in

Interesting. Our beardie, before we got her, had received a tail nip from a clutch mate, and it actually healed quite well. However, I know that some whom this has happened to, have more problems with the healing process. Tail nips are rather common, if beardies are housed together in a small enclosure such as ours was, in the pet store. The way you describe the tail, and the pics, I have to wonder about "yellow fungus." I'm not nearly an expert on that however, so I'll have to defer to someone with more knowledge on the subject.

and remember she has not shed or had any signs of shedding for 4 months!!!!!

Indeed, somewhere she stopped growing. This happened with our beardie as well. Hopefully, we'll be able to find out what's going on for your 'little' dragon. Please take some time to answer the questions I've asked, and we'll do our best to help.

The best,
Em
 

Embee

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Hi,

Just posting to check up. How is everything going with your beardie?

Have you been able to make sense of my first reply (I know, a bit long winded :mrgreen: ). If you need me to clarify anything, please feel free to post any further questions, and I'd be happy to help in any way that I can.

Hope all is going well!

Em
 

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hey sry been busy and i found out my beardies have mites! sooo that pritty much means all these problems could be from them.. i got the solution and waiting to see if she starts getting better! so im gonna say thank u for the detailed response and im gonna wait to comment on everything cus we might be walking down the wrong road :D

a few small things i will answer right now is i use a repti glo coil light bulb and i read the dangers that come with them online ....but im not buying it...coil or a stright tube its the same thing :?
sry to confuse u the basking temp 105 and ambient temps 85 when everything is off for sleep the lowest it will drop is 75 but usually is higher

OOOH yesterday i changed to tiles instead of wood shavings but she cant walk on it her feet slide out (its so cute :D ) so im looking for a more textured tile at the moment

il post back when the mites are totally gone...shouldn't be long
 

Embee

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Sorry about the mites. Hope your beardie is feeling better soon.

imnotabeardie":ea952 said:
a few small things i will answer right now is i use a repti glo coil light bulb and i read the dangers that come with them online ....but im not buying it...coil or a stright tube its the same thing :?

Indeed, always do your own research, make your own conclusions, but I must tell you that there are no fewer than 6-7 posts a week here (sometimes more), for beardies having trouble in this regard (insufficient/hazardous UVB). That's actually the reason I found this place, and one of the several reasons I stick around. I myself was using a compact, and it slowly sapped my beardie's appetite, and then energy, and she eventually stopped growing. When I changed the bulb (to a ReptiSun tube), her behavior changed within HOURS. She was shutting down due to the compact bulb, and there have been many, upon many cases here of the very same, coil, compact, insufficient tube lighting, all causing a host of issues. Compacts, and coils carry the same risks. (Our dragon is doing well now, in her new environment. We've since upgraded, yet again, to a MVB.)

Here is a link you might find helpful. It has in it, yet another link, to a rather formal study (you may or may not have read), that may interest you:

http://www.beardeddragon.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=65424&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=coil+uvb

The best, and good luck with your dragon.

Em
 

imnotabeardie

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that site does have alot of info it was the one i read.......i need to change my bulb in a month il probably go tube than il get two 18'' fixtures since its a 5 ft tank split and housing 2 beardies atm

ok i think she might have yellow fungus....those scales i posted in the pick above have turned dark brown....and her upper chest is starting to get patchy and yellow....i hope its some sort of patchy shedding but..does not look like it.....il take pics sooon when i get my gfs camera...honestly i think my beardie is cursed :cry:
 

Embee

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imnotabeardie":825cd said:
that site does have alot of info it was the one i read.......i need to change my bulb in a month il probably go tube than il get two 8'' fixtures since its a 5 ft tank split and housing 2 beardies atm

I'm glad it was helpful to you. It was certainly an eye opener for me. That, and the number of posts that come in here with ailing beardies/coil, compact lighting. They were just too numerous to ignore. And the changes of course, have made huge improvements on our beardie's health so that was rather irrefutable evidence for me, personally.

ok i think she might have yellow fungus....those scales i posted in the pick above have turned dark brown....and her upper chest is starting to get patchy and yellow....i hope its some sort of patchy shedding but..does not look like it.....il take pics sooon when i get my gfs camera...honestly i think my beardie is cursed :cry:

Ah, I'm so sorry your beardie is still ailing. Hopefully, there is a way to treat and "take off the curse." :( Indeed, pics are always helpful. I'm not an expert on yellow fungus myself, so when you post the pics, we'll try and get someone into the thread here who can help. Lots of experienced and knowledgeable folks here.

Have you removed the humidity feature in your tank? I do know that this can be a huge contributor of fungus issues, and even more seriously, respiratory infections.

Good luck. Hope to hear back from you soon, pics or more details.

The best,
Em
 

Embee

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imnotabeardie":59ba9 said:
that site does have alot of info it was the one i read.......i need to change my bulb in a month il probably go tube than il get two 8'' fixtures since its a 5 ft tank split and housing 2 beardies atm

The tube you want is the ReptiSun (not Glo) 10.0 best price here: http://www.petmountain.com/product/...bs/504983/zoo-med-reptisun-10.0-uvb-bulb.html It's truly the best, and most recommended around here (along with MVBs), smallest size is 18", and will fit into a standard fluorescent strip fixture (either reptile specific, or standard hardware store fair). The 18 inch fit my original 2 foot long starter tank, perfectly.

The following are links to recent threads on yellow fungus, where the extremely knowledgeable and experienced moderators have weighed in with their usual, excellent advice:

http://www.beardeddragon.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=101738&p=791915&hilit=yellow+fungus#p791915

http://www.beardeddragon.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=101209&p=791700&hilit=yellow+fungus#p791700

http://www.beardeddragon.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=96103&p=750166&hilit=yellow+fungus#p750166

The best,
Em
 
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