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Hi recently I moved into an apartment and we aren't allowed to have dogs or cats so I have decided to go with a lizard. At first I was going to go with a green anole but after taking my wife to the pet store(she's squeamish about anything like this) she actually fell in love with the bearded dragons. As I said earlier I have never had a reptile so in about a week I'm getting what I need or at least I hope it's what I need. This brings me to my questions, first I'm buying the zilla bearded dragon deluxe starter kit does anyone know if this is sufficient enough to start with. Second I plan on buying crickets, how many will I need and how long will they last(I'm buying a cricket container to keep them in). Any other suggestions or straight answers would be greatly appreciated. P.S. the dragons are between 6 and 8 weeks old.
 

Maxiloves43

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With the crickets, make sure they are no bigger than the space between your beardies eyes. My baby beardie eats 20 to 50 crickets a day (about the same age as the dragon you will get). When you feed him/her, allow it to eat as much as it wants in a period of 10-15 mins 2-3 times a day. The lifespan of the crickets depends if you actually feed and water the crickets, I gut load mine with nutrients that my beardie is sometimes iffy about eating (fruits and veggies). I dont know if you know this or not, but get some calcium supplement and dust his/her crickets with it before feeding them to him/her.
 

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Also wanted to add that your beardie still might eat the crickets after they are dead. However, my beardie is attracted to movement so she isnt all for the lifeless ones lol.
 

Torque1788

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Yes I am aware of the calcium/multivitamin dusting. As for the crickets I plan on giving them orange cubes. Is there anywhere online to order crickets cheaper than a pet store? Also any advice on the aforementioned housing I have chosen?
 

Maxiloves43

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I have only purchased crickets locally, but im sure if you do some looking around you will be able to find cheaper crickets online somewhere. I kind of just pieced my viv together myself, what does your set up include?
 

Torque1788

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20 gallon tank(I know it's a little small but i will get a bigger one in the next couple of months), sliding lockable cover screen, (2) 8.5" reflector dome light fixtures, (1) 5.5" reflector dome light fixture, day blue light bulb, night black heat bulb, desert 50 UVB fluorescent coil bulb, lizard lagoon stone bowl, humidity and temperature gauge, alfalfa meal bedding, and bearded dragon food. I do intend on getting basking rocks and a branch to climb on.
 

kcarello

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Oh Boy!! First of all congratulations on your upcoming new baby!! Second of all........NO!! There is alot of stuff in there that is useless!!! DO NOT use the uvb light that comes with it..in fact,,I'm not sure if it is such a good deal to buy the kit..it might be cheaper to just get the individual things you need. You need a basking light and you can use a regular household light for that..the clear ones..they have to be bright light, and mounted right next to the uvb light..which needs to be either the Reptisun 10.0 or the Arcadia d3 12%. You do not need any colored light for any reason. If it gets below 65 degrees at night in the room where his cage will be then you will need a ceeramic heat emmiter. Also the stick on dial thermometers the kit comes with,,they are trash too. You need a digital with a probe. you can find them at wal-mart it is an Accurite brand found by the outdoor thermometers. You can also get the fixture for the uvb tube light there. DO NOT use sand or any other loose substrate! The water dish is pretty useless too! Most dragons will not drink from standing water and keeping the water bowl in the viv can raise the humidity up too much.
Premium Crickets is a good place to order your crickets. Order the pinhead ones at first.
Well, thats enough for now...lol!! Let me know if you have any questions. You have come to the right place to get everything perfect for your new baby!!!!
Congratulations!!
Kelly
 

Torque1788

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Wow I didn't realize there were so many things wrong with the set I was going to buy. This is why I asked on here because everyone seems very knowledgable and friendly. So what would a rough estimate be on cost for everything minus the beardie?
 
Definitely NO on that setup. I fell into that trap and I'm regretting it big time (and that was only two months ago). It will soon become a very expensive cricket house!! I'm having my husband build a 4'x2'x2' wooden enclosure with a plexiglass door in front for ours. I found a great site with directions on how to build one. The lighting in that starter kit isn't a good one (although our BD has had to live with it for a bit... so far I haven't seen any major issues but I'm really trying to get the right one ASAP). I will say that I do bring ours outside for the real UV each day as we dont' have the best bulb. You are lucky you found this site before buying one as I did not, and I'm having to do a lot of back pedeling to get our set up right. Here is the site to the build your own one that I really like (that is if you are handy with the tools)... http://www.freewebs.com/crossfireenclosures/

The crickets really add up when buying them at a store. I'm planning on buying them in bulk online once we get our enclosure sorted out. But, in the meantime, I feed our crickets the orange cubes, the water jell as well as I put in some vegies from what I feed our BD and also I give them the baby BD pellets that came with our setup. They really like those pellets a lot!! I have had lots die off from one store and not so much from another store. I do feed some worms as well but we go through about 25 or more crickets a day plus those greens and vegies. I wish I could stomach starting up a roach colony so that I could feed for free out of it but I'm way too grossed out by the roaches so far... maybe one day I'll get used to the idea, until then it is crickets and worms for our BD! 8)
 
PS... I'm not sure on a rough estimate on a enclosure with all the right stuff... if you built one and got the right bulbs and whatnot, I'd say around $200. You could also check on craigslist and find a glass tank but glass ones don't regulate the temps very well. (I've been looking of craigslist and have yet to find something suitable) But, basically the best size would be 4'x2'x2' or close to it. There are glass tanks that are 48"x19"x19" that would work too... you just have to figure that at full grown they should be able to move around comfortably and you should be able to regulate the temps accuately. And considering they get to be 20"-24", having it 24" deep makes sense. Beardies are not big climbers so you don't want it too tall as you want them to be able to get within 6" or so of the lights. On amazon, the reptisun 10.0 is like $28 and you can buy the fixture (and under the cabinet floresent fixture) for it at wallmart or home depot for like $10 or $15 (or less), you need a basking light but that can be a regular household bulb. If you look on the lighting part of this site, it is super helpful and so is the enclosure section... I hope that helps!!
 

ynevar

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I absolutely love Mulberry Farms for their crickets. Depending on where you live, if you live a bit further away from California I'd ask them to add extra packing tape so the crickets don't chew their way out. That saves a BUNCH on cricket cost. They have been absolutely amazing to me customer service wise, really awesome.

http://www.mulberryfarms.com/Crickets-c12/

I would order 1 week for the age you are talking about. I got 2 week and mine were a little bigger, which was okay since my guys are big enough but I am worried the crickets will too big. I got a LOT last time. I think I'll keep my orders smaller and get them more frequently. I keep my crickets in a 10 gallon tank with a screen top and ordering by the 1,000 seems to be the perfect amount for me. Although y you can use a rubbermaid tote with metal mesh (crickets will eat nylon mesh apparently). The most important thing is that you clean their cage out daily. I mix my gutload from the Mulberry Farm cricket food and the Cricket Gutload Chow from beardeddragon.co. I use water crystals, not a water bottle with a sponge. If you do this daily and change their feeding dish daily I have found I have little die off.

Important to have both the calcium and multivitamins for your little one. There is a great chart that tells you how often for the age of your beardie to supplement for both the calcium and multi on the site I list below. It is the Beautiful Dragon nutrition page:

http://www.beautifuldragons.com/Nutrition.html

I am looking forward to when my guys are bigger and I will likely feed them dubias as well since I have heard such great things about them as feeders.

I also agree that the set-up they sell for beardies is really NOT a good set up. It's quite sad really. I wish that someone would actually sell a set up that is good for beardies. You got some great advice. A 20 gallon is a good set up for a baby. The best set up for an adult is a 4x2x2.

Another great item I recommend for cleaning tanks is the professional cleaner from beardeddragon.co. A little bit makes a LOT and I just mix it in a spray bottle and am able to sanitize the enclosures. It is really inexpensive and an effective cleanser. I also use it on my cricket tank in between batches. I do rinse their cage and dry it though to be on the safe side.

I am sure you will love your dragon once you get him/her. They find a way into your heart for sure. I know mine have... and they are are working their way into family members hearts who you'd NEVER think would love a lizard too!
 

ClydesGirl

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I have to agree with those who said not to bother with the starter kit. I got that exact same kit and I'd say close to a month into having my first beardie, the only parts of it I was still using were the tank itself (since replaced) and the food dish. Here are my recommendations for starting items:

  • If you want to build your own viv, the link to the crossfire plans is a great one.
  • If not, then you want a "40 Gallon Breeder" tank. That's the minumum size for an adult beardie and will keep you from having to replace it as he grows.
  • I'm a big fan of splurging on a timer for lights. It's best for them to get regular amounts of light and dark each day and can be hard to keep to a strict schedule manually.
  • For your heat lamp, you will need a dome fixture. I HIGHLY recommend getting one with a dimmer on the cord so you can fine tune the temperature. You'll want at least a 75 watt bulb, but if you get a dome with a dimmer, you can take it all the way up to 150 watt and then just dim it down.
  • For your UVB fixture, the cheapest and easiest option I've found is this fixture from Walmart: http://www.walmart.com/ip/Lights-of-America-24-Fluorescent-Grow-Light-Fixture/16879945. Just throw out the bulb and cover and get the 24" Reptisun 10.0 bulb for it. Then wire it to the underside of the screen in your viv, or hang it from the ceiling in there if you choose the crossfire option. You want to hang it as close to your heat lamp as possible and over to one side of the viv, so there is a place on the "cold" side of the viv with no UVB in case your beardie wants to get out of it.
  • For your thermometer, get something like this: http://www.walmart.com/ip/Digital-Thermometer-w-Humidity-Gauge-Clock/17382579. Place the unit on the cold end of your viv and the probe on the basking spot beneath the heat lamp. The "indoor" temperature will be the temp on the cold side and the "outdoor" temp will be the basking temp. You want the cold side to stay in the 75-85 range and the basking temp to be 100-110.
  • For the bottom of the viv, you have a lot of options. Paper towels (whole not shredded), tile, reptile carpet... My personal favorite is Duck brand non-stick shelf liner. If you go the shelf liner route, make sure you get the non-stick kind (the glue can be toxic). The great thing about shelf liner is that it is pretty durable and incredibly easy to clean, but cheap and disposable as well. Plus it's easy to cut to size. This is the kind I'm using right now from Lowes: http://www.lowes.com/pd_171589-1451...L=?Ns=p_product_qty_sales_dollar|1&facetInfo=
  • As others have mentioned, thre's no reason to keep a water dish in the viv. Beardies won't drink from standing water and it will likely just raise the humidity (which you want to keep below 40% so try to get a digital thermometer with a humidity read-out). You will want some sort of dish for greens, but it doesn't have to be anything fancy. It should just be shallow and accessible.

As for crickets, my advice is to order them online. I got mine from Ghann's Cricket Farm http://www.ghann.com/ and they were usually great about getting them to me alive. The couple of times I had problems with lots dying en route because of high temps or whatever, they send me a new shipment for free.

Don't bother with those little "Cricket Keepers" you can buy at the pet store. They are FAR too small for the number of crickets your baby beardie will be eating. Get a couple of large, DEEP, clear, RubberMade tubs. One you can use to house the crickets in and one you can use as a feeding bin for your beardie. The one you house the crickets in, either cut a large hole in the top and cover with mesh screen or drill a bunch of TINY holes in for air to get through, but NOT crickets. Save every paper towel roll you have from now on. You will want a couple of shallow dishes to use for food and hydration for the crickets. I actually wasn't a big fan of the orange cubes, because they were pricey and didn't last long. Instead I went with the yellow gel in one dish for hydration, and then the powdery meal stuff (http://www.flukerfarms.com/hi-calcricketdiet.aspx) for food and gutloading.

Once you have your bin all set up with a food dish, a gel dish, and some paper towel tubes, it's time for the crickets! This takes some practice, so I did it outside the first couple of times. When the crickets are delivered to you, they will be in a cardboard box with a few layers of egg crate. Cut the packing tape with a box cutter, but hold the box closed! Flip it upside down and try to very quickly pull the flaps open. The egg crates with the majority of the crickets should fall right down into your bin, but there will be some hangers on who you will have to shake loose. Those crickets are expensive, so try not to let too many get away! Once you get good at this, you can likely do it inside without losing more than a cricket or two.

Okay, now, the question is, how do you get those crickets into your baby's belly? This is where having two tubs comes in handy. Open the empty tub and set the lid aside. Set it right next to the cricket tub. Open the cricket tub, but hold the lid over the tub at angle, so there's not much room for crickets to escape. Quickly grab a paper towel tube or an egg crate and snatch it over into the empty tub. Shake loose all the crickets (or as many as you want) into the empty tub then put the egg crate or towel tube back into the cricket tub. Now you have a bunch of loose crickets in the empty tub. This is where your handy dandy, amazing cricket scooper comes in. I got mine from Ghann's the first time I bought crickets. Here's the link: http://www.ghann.com/store/store_product_detail.cfm?Product_ID=24&Category_ID=4&Sub_Category_ID=1.

With that amazing device, you can scoop up the loose crickets inside the feeding tub, then dump them into a bag or cup or whatever you're using to dust them. I was personally a fan of sandwich bags. Dump any remaining crickets from the feeding tub back into the cricket tub. Now, get your beardie and put him inside your feeding bin. Dump the dusted crickets in there with him and let him do his thing for about 10 minutes or until he looks like he's just no longer interested in the crickets. My guy would always go still and close his eyes when he was done eating. Put your beardie back in his viv, preferably on his basking spot. Dump the leftover crickets back into the main cricket bin. By doing it this way, you won't have to be fishing leftover crickets out of the viv and they won't be able to hide under rocks and logs and such.

I know this sounds like a crazy amount of work and it SO IS. But, fortunately, your beardie will grow up and eventually start eating his greens and you can switch to smaller quantities of feeders that are much easier (like phoenix worms or supers). It's just prohibitively expensive to try to buy worms in the quantities you would need to feed a growing baby, so crickets are a great way to go in those first 8 months or so. Oh, I almost forgot, you should be offering your baby greens every day and likely he won't eat much (if any) of them, so at the end of the day, dump the leftovers in the cricket bin. The crickets will gobble them right up and then your beardie will just eat them indirectly.
 

ynevar

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Yes paper towel tubes are a hot commodity around here. I do cut them in half though, so crickets escape less at the smaller size. I keep a few in the cricket tank so I can easily shake some crickets into a ziplock baggie (the longer size they seemed to jump out of my tank ahhhhh!). Add my supplement (calcium or multivitamin) and voila!!! Although if you are a little nervous about handling the crickets the scooper is a great idea. I also just use a ziplock baggie to scoop my crickets up, especially as they tank gets emptier. You'll get pretty adept at cricket wranglin' :D

If you do go the rubbermaid route and do the mesh, remember to get metal mesh and not nylon. You can hot glue gun the mesh in place. Just make sure there are no cracks.

Depending on where you live (what side of the country) would really determine which place would be best to order crickets online from. As you can see there are a few very reputable cricket dealers out there that people are willing to recommend.

Are you completely overwhelmed?? :shock: You are getting a lot of great info that I wish I had from the get go. I would not have bought the cricket keeper and a bunch of other junk, that was purported to be fine for beardies. :banghead:
 
ynevar said:
I absolutely love Mulberry Farms for their crickets. Depending on where you live, if you live a bit further away from California I'd ask them to add extra packing tape so the crickets don't chew their way out. That saves a BUNCH on cricket cost. They have been absolutely amazing to me customer service wise, really awesome.

http://www.mulberryfarms.com/Crickets-c12/

What size of crickets do you order? How old is your BD? I'm planning on ordering from these guys next week and I can't decide what size to order. My BD is about 11" long (maybe around 4 or 5 months... I really don't know though). I usually get the med/lg size from Petsmart. But since I'll be buying 1000 and they will grow I was thinking of ordering the two week size but wasn't sure. Since you order from them I thought I'd see what size you order :)
 
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