morphmom":2lhyytx6 said:There are no hard feelings, I was trying to make finding the information easier.
ClydesGirl":22q3z8p9 said:Are you at all worried about the high fat content of pinkies? I know you explained that you're not as worried about potential impaction because you your hydration and temps, but I was under the impression that overfeeding on mice could cause fatty liver disease? I'd read that pinkies should only be fed a couple of times a year at most or only after a female has laid her eggs and needs the extra fat. You're talking about feeding them every couple of weeks and I'd worry that would just be too much and might lead to liver failure?
Jess":n8abl5kf said:Keeping beardies with monitor husbandry seems like it could work... But leopard geckos with monitor husbandry makes absolutely no sense to me. Leos are crepuscular, so they would be out and about in the evenings, nights, and early morning. Not during the day. So why on earth would you give a crepuscular animal a bright basking spot with a basking temperature that would mimic day time hot spots?! My rescued leo's previous owner used a white basking light that was much too hot for his tank (It seemed to be at least 110*F, it was a 75 watt Zoomed Spotlight in a 15 gal!), and the gecko crawled around with his eyes shut and avoided the basking area to avoid the light. I've never been to Pakistan so I know I don't have first hand experience or anything, but I highly doubt that there are bright "basking" spots of 110*F at night.
Feeding leopard geckos cut up adult mice doesn't make sense either. Sure, pinkies could be a natural food source for them... But in the wild, would they be eating parts of adult mice? Very unlikely. It seems more like feeding them mice just for the heck of feeding them mice to me.
JMO.
stangbanger":tpxx0df4 said:Roxy came out of her hide today
Caught a pic of her right before bed... She was out around noon though
stangbanger":2kc74l86 said:the lights arent ran 24/7. theyre ran during the day (much like the natural sunlight) and theyre off at night (also like natural sun light)
and nobody forced those leos to go there. that enclosure has a thermal gradient from 70s all the way to 140ish. the leos are free to use whatever parts of the enclosure they see fit. if they didnt want to be under those lights, they dont have to be. there is hidden basking spots (meaning no light on them at all - via stacks) with basking temps of 80-100*+ that they can use.
as for the mice not being a natural food souce....neither are dubia roaches for beardies
heres a big debate if youre interested in the topic
http://www.herpcenter.com/leopard-geckos/41924-leopard-geckos-can-sure-put-away-mice.html
people get so hung up on "omg those poor leos are being forced to be under those lights" when in reality, they CHOSE to be there, and there were plenty of other options given to them. the keeper provided a range of conditions for his animals to use as they see fit, and his particular leos chose to utilize those spots.
thats what im getting at about keepers wanting to control every aspect.....why not provide a range of condition and let the animal chose? i have a 74* spot in my beardie tanks....neither of them will even touch it....doesnt matter to me, i provided the option, they didnt like it, so they dont use it.....if the leos didnt like those hot spots, they wouldnt go there
if you put a 200w halogen in your tank and raised surface temp to 250* and still provided a cool spot of 90 on the other side, where do you think your beardie would be? he would be in the 90* spot obviously....hes not going to just lay around in the 250* spot suffering if there are more options available
oh, and heres that other pic of a beardie who also had these choices, choosing to bask at a very high temp (without getting burned, mind you) ....this is surface temp, NOT ambient....you can get these kind of surface temps while still maintaining 70-90* ambients..all about bulb type and placement...i dont provide temps this high personally, and i believe the female using it was gravid
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