Liver Abscesses

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Menolly07

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As support he's also having a CHE at night at 95° w/ thermostat

Kazoozles is a two year old, male dunner leatherback. He has a history of multiple upper respiratory iinfections with his previous owner. When he came to me, Aug of 2014, he had a concerning episode that resembled a URI. A culture and it came back negative. However, he was positive for coccidia and pin worms. We treated those. Additionally, he had some bloody stools that we attributed to the parasites, specifically the coccidia. His appetite was fine. He was not lethargic.

Kaz semibrumated through a few winter months, getting up to eat, poop, have a bath, spend a few days active then go back to bed. Some of those poops were still bloody. The vet suggested a switch from dubia to soft bodied worms. I could not get appropriately sized silkworms, so Kaz was a lucky boy and nommed a lot of hornworms. He also had an appetite for collard greens.

This spring he got up like usual and hadn't post more than a few grams. He was active and eating. He would drink during baths and would eat his veggies.

Around August of this year I weighed him. He was still in the same general range at 479 grams. As of now he is down to 428. During the summer he tested as positive again for coccidia, though he had tested negative. The vet says that the lifecycle means that sometimes they aren't shedding the coccidia needed to show as positive. Anyway, we saw that as an explanation for some bloody stools he'd had lately. He was reteeeted and fed soft hornworms again.

Fast forward, he'd been healthy but becoming lethargic and with a lower appetite. I attributed that to the season as he was normal otherwise. He had an incident last week where he was behaving like he had a URI. I took him to the vet I Thursday, the 5th. The vet ran a gram stain. I admit to being under educated on those, but he said it was fine. I took Kaz home.

Around 2am I find he was ballooning, had a pressed up posture and was in what seemed to be breathing distress. I took him to an emergency vet who took xrays. They showed spots along his left side. The vet there actually had no idea what they were. She told me honestly that she hadn't the experience. Truthfully? They looked like eggs, except Kaz is definitely male.

Fast forward, I took Kaz to another emergnecy vet (different clinic) the next day because he was REALLY failing. While there he was jutting his chin, air chewing and tonguing his mouth. I leaned him down at a slight angle and patted his back gently for a few minutes. He vomited several tablespoons of undigested greens and roach parts. He had not eaten roaches since October 28, and he hadn't been really eating greens either. Before the vomit he was 459 grams. He was down to 434 after.

The vet told me that she had no idea what to do. She actually didn't even charge for our visit. I called, at this point, every regular exotics/herp vet in the city of Pittsburgh and surrounding area as well as all three of the exotic servicing emergency vets. My regular vet does not have Friday hours. I even called a clinic three hours away in Ohio.

So, fast forward again. Kaz was seen yesterday by an extremely hard to reach specialist vet. They dis an ultrasound of the liver. It is normal sized, but those spots are all through it. The vet actually REALLY thought they looked like eggs. Kaz doesn't habe any distinctly pronounced hemipenes. If you look at his tail base you'd think he were female, based on the visual. However, if you shine a light then he has hemipenes. They're very short.

The vet didn't see them as three dimensional, so he ruled out masses, polyps, tumors etc. He biopsied one and ran some slides. They turned our to be abscesses. He believes they're bacterial, viral or protozoal. He's severely anemic. His prognosis is poor.

At this point I am giving Kaz an injection of cefazolin twice a day for 3 days then for 21 more. He's also receiving oral flagyl once a day. I'm also tube feeding him once a day. He's getting AD cat food thinned with water. I'm adding bee pollen, B12, calcium/magnesium, serrepetase and a vitamin supplement.

That's everything I've learned, done and am doing.... Any other thoughts?
 

AHBD

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Nothing to add to this except to say that I'm definitely pulling for Kaz and the treatment sounds like the best you can possibly do. Maybe it will surprise you and take care of those abcesses. I wonder if raw honey added to the cocktail would provide any benefit....just throwing that out there since it has such wonderful natural medicinal properties.
 

CooperDragon

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I don't have anything useful to add either but I wish you both the best! It sounds like he's getting excellent care. I'd be sure to keep him hydrated. AHBD's mention of honey made me think that perhaps offering a bit of bee pollen would be helpful. It's supposed to enhance immune systems and is rich in vitamins.
 

Menolly07

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Thanks, guys. I think the bee pollen covers all the same things that actual honey does. I don't want to add too much of a sugar heavy thing because it might crash his system. I'm adding water to the tube feeding, so that should deal with that. Oh, he also had a SubQ dextrose treatment at the vet. Probably about 10-15 ml injected. The vet believes that the water I'm adding in his tube feeding will be OK.
 

Drache613

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Hello,

Goodness, you are doing all you can! Poor Kaz, he is in good hands though. I am so sorry he is going through all of this, how stressful for you both.
Did the vet have any thoughts as to how on earth he would have developed so many abscesses? Perhaps from heavy loads of parasites previously?
The bee pollen would be helpful, in his mix, absolutely for his immune system.
Definitely remember to keep him warm overnight too for immune system help also.

Let us know how he is doing.
Tracie
 

Menolly07

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Hi Tracie,

The vet didn't have any idea on how it would have happened. Unfortunately, it would all be conjecture. I imagine that the coccidia could have contributed. Since he had it when I received him I hypothesize that he'd had it the whole time.

I've got him under a CHE at night, and bee pollen is part of his tube feeding.
 

Menolly07

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Does anybody have any idea what an approximate volume of an adult, male bearded dragon's stomach would be? I can't find anything online, and the vet actually didn't give me a specific amount for Kazoozle's tube feedings. He's niy reachable except on his two clinic days.
 

Drache613

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Hello,

I think most likely parasites contributed if they were bad enough & went untreated awhile.
Does Kaz need to gain weight?
I believe that you can technically pump in 20mls daily, but, personally I would only do 5-10mls at a time, so it isn't full volume. I would start on the lower end, since he isn't feeling well.
How is he doing tonight?

Tracie
 

Menolly07

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Kaz DESPERATELY needs to put on weight. He's down to 428 and still was on the thin and lanky side at 479.

He's not doing great. He vomited up his food from yesterday today. He had a bath and drank a little before. He must have breathed in some how because he was blowing nose bubbles when I took him out. I tilted him down and lightly patted and massaged his belly. I had to force his mouth open to let out a good teaspoon of clear mucus. I gave him a break on a heating pad and then titlted him again. The second time he vomited. He pooped on the tail end of that, very wet, lots of white, little actual fecal matter.

I'm going to add nebulizer Baytril as another component to his treatment.

I'm very concerned that he still had that to vomit after being tube fed at 6 or so yesterday. He's basking on a 110° spot and staying on it or close to it. His sleeping spot is at about 95° with a CHE controlled by a thermostat. When he vomited last week it was after the food had been in his stomach for some time, nearly a week is likely. I don't understand what would cause him to not pass the food along. I did not tube feed him today. I just wasn't comfortable doing so, with him already so stressed.
 

Drache613

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Hello,

How is Kaz doing tonight? Any improvements at all?
Has he thrown up any today? Poor guy, so you think he aspirated some water?
Have you started the nebulizer treatments with Baytril yet?
I hope that he starts to gain some weight with the tube feeding. The 6mls should be a pretty good amount. I am sorry he isn't feeling very well right now.
Is he at least sleeping peacefully?

Let us know how he is doing.
Tracie
 

AHBD

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Poor guy, he was doing O.K for a few days there. Hopefully it was a bit too much water too fast like they do sometimes. I just wanted to add that I'm sure he'd be more comfortable for his night temp. to be no more than 82-84. Excess heat can make them sick just like it can for us. Too much heat will stress his system. See if he does better at lower temps. 110 during the day is as high as you want it and his body needs a break at night.
 
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