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DragonMomSandy

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For roaches I use Marcus at http://www.afexotics.weebly.com Awesome guy and great roaches. I have been ordering from Marcus for several months and have had perfect orders every time. Send him a PM, describe what your needs are and he'll set you up right!

I also recommend Ian from http://www.TheroachRanch.com Or Jason from http://www.Theroachguy.com . Nice guys with and great bugs.

For silks: http://www.coastalsilkworms.com Good prices and great bugs.
For Horns: http://www.mulberryfarms.com or http://www.greatlakeshornworms.com both have quality horns and carry other feeders as well. Great Lakes carries supers.

Crickets I no longer buy, so I'm of no help with any links for these.
 

DeweysMom

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I'm only buying crickets and phoenix worms at the moment, but as of right now I've only ordered through Ghann's. They have great service and great feeders. Very little deaths in transit even in the dead of winter. Overnight shipping is very generous compared to other sources I looked as well. I've had no need to try another souce yet. :)

DragonMomSandy":ad4f4 said:
I also recommend Ian from http://www.TheroachRanch.com Or Jason from http://www.Theroachguy.com . Nice guys with and great bugs.
I'm sorry, but this really hit me as funny!!! :lol: Only here would this be considered a great compliment. :) :lol:
 

DragonMomSandy

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Now that I look at it a second time, it really is funny! Can't think of too many places where you can refer to a guy as of having "great bugs" without offending them! LMAO! :laughhard:
 

aoscar

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http://www.joshsfrogs.com

I ordered 200 dubia and got closer to 300 with a substantial portion (30-40%) being breeder adults, several giving birth when I put them in the bin, and most of the rest being feeder sized sub adults.
I did pick up my order at a show but they do ship probably 80% of their buisness is internet. I called my order in and Josh answered the phone on the first call. My dragons and I are very pleased with our order.
 

nena

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Is there a place where I can get supers, silkies and horns? from the same spot?? im trying to save on shipping... I have one beardie who is currently eating about 10 supers a day and 10-15 meal worms... give or take.. im buying the supers and the meal worms from petco now... but im getting tired to running there all the time... how many should i get?? im afraid of them turning into flies! lolz
 

Fallencomrade2008

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I got 1000 supers from Greatlakeshornworm.com and you can get hornworms there too. I've had supers for around a month, no beetles or pupa unless i tryed to get them. I keep umn in a bin full of oatmeal. i give them a carrot or potato 1 time a week.
 

bierdieman

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I agree with great lakes hornworm I got 16 of the horn worms cheap they also sell supers but they are hard to breed.
As for meal worms order 1000 or more because that will allow you to grow your own as well as feed from them.
I started my meal worm farm on january 10 and now I have so many babbies I could feed my berdies nothing but mealworms
If I wanted to. If you want any help with growing your own feeders let me know
 

nena

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Well I dont really think I would want to breed anything... Just because I dont have the time... But i do want to save on shipping, seems like the greatlake place is the cheapest and they have horns and supers... Mulberryfarms has them all but they are out of horns at the moment and the prices are a lot higher... what is better for beardies horns or silkies? he's only eating supers now and i know they are high in fat and whatnot... so i wanna make sure he gets proper nutrition...
 

bierdieman

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Well I dont really think I would want to breed anything... Just because I dont have the time... But i do want to save on shipping, seems like the greatlake place is the cheapest and they have horns and supers...
Definatly hornworms because they have a lot of protien and very little fat (most of the time only 3%)
And plus they don't have the harder outer shell that supers do that have beenknown to cause impactation
 

DragonMomSandy

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OK, I don't want to step on any toes, but there is something that I'd like to clarify here. Meal worms versus Super worms. It is actually the meal worms that are highly likely to cause impaction. They are mostly chitonous shell and very little protein, and the shell is very hard for dragons, especially young dragons, to digest. Supers have some chitonous shell but way more protein. Having said this, supers should not be given to very young dragons, under 16 inches in length. Once a dragon reaches 16 inches, the slight bend in their digestive tract begins to straighten and risk of impaction decreases considerable. Supers are a good semi staple for sub-adult and adult dragons. Meal worms are not. Mealies are an ok treat for adults, 1 to 2 times per week but no more. Below I am posting a list of feeders for you all, with a breakdown of nutritional values. This should help when choosing what feeders you would like to use as staples for your dragons.

Here's a list of nutritional content:

Insect: (M) moisture, (P) protein (F) fat

Dubia roaches: (M) 61%, (P) 36%, (F) 7%

Turkistan roaches: (M) 64%, (P) 37%, (F) 5.5%

Silk worms: (M) 76%, (P) 64%, (F) 10%

Horn worms: (M) 85%, (P) 9%, (F) 3.07% and calcium: 46.4 mg/ 100gm

Pheonix worms: (M) 65%, (P) 17%, (F) 9.5% also high in calcium

Superworms: (M) 59%, (P) 20%, (F) 16%

Butterworms: (M) 58.5%, (P) 16.2%, (F) 5.2%

Crickets: (M) 70%, (P) 18.5%, (F) 6.25%

Mealworms: (M) 59%, (P) 10%, (F) 13%

Wax worms: (M) 61%, (P) 16%, (F) 11%


Lobster roaches are in the same range as the dubia and turks.

You'll notice the red highlighted feeders, I did this for easy comparison. Notice that a Super worm is approx: 20% protein and 16% fat versus the meal worm that is approx: 10% protein and 13% fat. I also red highlighted the hornworms to point out that they are 9% protein and 3.07% fat, but they are really high in moisture and calcium (BTW, the hornworm %s come directly from the GreatLakes Hornworm co.). Horns are a good treat/semi staple (1 to 2 times per week). They are really high in moisture and can cause runny poop. You'll notice that the highest protein and most nutritious feeders are the roaches and silks. Even crickets are moderate in protein and low in fat, and they are more chitonous than roaches (the roach shell is quite easily digested as it's much softer/thinner).

The main point I'd like to make here is that mealies are really not an appropriate food for Bearded Dragons. They don't offer enough nutritional value and dragons do not digest mealie shells very easily. Mealies are great for geckos, and a few other lizards, but not for dragons. Supers and horns are ok for a semi staple, and supers will definately get a dragon to gain weight. However, don't feed supers to young dragons, under 16 inches. Although they are less chitonous than mealies, they are still a little too high in chiton for young dragons to digest properly. Horn worms are an ok semi staple, even for young dragons, however,they do not have enough protein content to be a daily staple for a rapidly growing baby/juvenile dragon. Young dragons under the age of 1 year need a lot of protein as this is when the majority of their growth happens. They are still growing from 1 year to 18 months, but growth slows down considerably during this time and their protein intake begins to decrease as their greens intake increases. By 18 months a dragon has reached it's full length, though slight growth can continue until 2 years old when they are adults. After 18 months, their diets should be approx 80% greens and 20% protein.

So, Please, don't feed your dragons mealies. There are much better and safer feeders. For a couple more good sites to get multiple types of feeders:
http://www.greatlakeshornworms.com
http://www.coastalsilkworms.com
http://www.reevescricketranch.com
http://www.flukerfarms.com
http://www.gourmetfeeders.com
www.reptilefood.com

These are just a few, and many of them offer many types of feeders.
Good luck with whatever choices you make. I hope you find this info helpful.
 

nena

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Thank you so much!!!! This is exactly the kind of answer I was looking for! :D sooo since I am still a bit apprehensive towards the roaches... Lol I think I'm gonna give Charlie, silkies, horn and supers... But will try to give him mostly silkies ;) once again thank you so much for the thorough response! ;)
 

lilblack94gt

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DragonMomSandy":c2mvskth said:
supers should not be given to very young dragons, under 16 inches in length. Once a dragon reaches 16 inches, the slight bend in their digestive tract begins to straighten and risk of impaction decreases considerable.


Are we talking 16 inches in just body length or 16 inches in tail and body length?

Someone told me about a roach that looks like a cricket. I can't remember the name of the roach. Does anyone know of a roach that looks like a cricket????
 
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