how can people be so cruel?

[ez2bbad64]

today i went to a local tool store to return a defective temp gun when the clerk asked what was wrong with it i replyed that its temp is off its reading my pet bearded dragons cages at 140 the other gun i have reads them fine. just then the guy behind me chimes in bearded dragons as pets?. then procedes to tell me how he gets them and other lizards free or close to it off craigslist and local ads just to feed to his monitor lizard alive. :shock: then went into detail in front of my 5yr old daughter on how his big monitor chases them around the cage before eating them my poor daughter was in tears from this
how can people be so heartless and cruel? beardies are so sweet and loving that is so horriable! and yet people wonder why i have so many animals in my care i got alot of them off places like craigslist to save them from people like this!

 

[spurlee01]

That's horrible! I cannot believe anyone would say things like that, especially in front of a child

 

[kcsearle]

that is so sad but i have relaized that people don't seem to care. Even when a child is around. (i have 3 kids) and people dont think before they speak. Ok i can understand the guy feeding his moniter oh whatever lol, but do you really need to go into detail on what he eats and how he does it :-s ...i so dont get ppl.

 

[Drache613]

Hello,

OMG, that is SO sad, those poor dragons, the fear they must go through.
I am sorry your daughter had to hear that.

Tracie

 

[RolandKyramere]

Not cool, not cool at all!

 

[puffsmama]

That is very sad...do people not realize that these babies have feelings...such as fear? I hope his monitor bites him someday...I hear those can be really mean!!

 

[Twobeardieguy]

Unbelievable!

 

[myzeak]

you should have fed him to his monitor, Ive been reading about some of them and aparently some can eat good dog food so why torture a defenseless dragon when you can rase and love it.and they sell frozen mice on lllreptile. Hopefuly he will get whats comeing to him. And that is one of the resons i hate people

 

[Amber31190]

i own a moniter and that is down right sickeing,he should kill over,,, calm down amber,,,,, chill, ohh first off he get sick dragons, could kill he monitor, second to above monitors, dont' eat dog food bigg mis-conception and last of all he should be beat, in front of your child, ooohhh the nerve.. its none of my business if he eats beardies, but there is alot of food sources and moniters eating lizards doesn't sound to good anyway

 

[NBbeardie]

I HATE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Amber31190]

i own a moniter and that is down right sickeing,he should kill over,,, calm down amber,,,,, chill, ohh first off he get sick dragons, could kill he monitor, second to above monitors, dont' eat dog food bigg mis-conception and last of all he should be beat, in front of your child, ooohhh the nerve.. its none of my business if he eats beardies, but there is alot of food sources and moniters eating lizards doesn't sound to good anyway

 

[myzeak]

i own a moniter and that is down right sickeing,he should kill over,,, calm down amber,,,,, chill, ohh first off he get sick dragons, could kill he monitor, second to above monitors, dont' eat dog food bigg mis-conception and last of all he should be beat, in front of your child, ooohhh the nerve.. its none of my business if he eats beardies, but there is alot of food sources and moniters eating lizards doesn't sound to good anyway

wow i thought they did eat dog food (good thing i dont have one then) they should change the care sheets on LLLreptile :study:

 

[Amber31190]

yea llll has good supplies but i've heard there animals aren't the greatest, no offense to them, cause i order from there occasionaly. but i've seen some people feed hearts and oragans to there moniters, the need whole prey, so the get bones and all for calcium, not that anyone ones has said anything about getting a moniter, but i dis courage it, it takes a true herp love with a big wallet, good carpentary skillz and time, not bragging, we made the mistake of getting one as a first reptile, well 3 feet later and a 6x4x4 built cage, with a high power billl and about 500 crickets every week and a 1/2 --70 super worms a week and a about 3 fuzzies a week. yea he's my boyfriends but he's our baby with a aditude, a bite from him is a broke finger or stitches. definatly hard to keep a 130 basking spot, 60% humidity a 90 ambiant temp and a 70 cool side., but hes out "Little" baby,
umm sorry to get in a rant, but i preach againest moniter ownship and think pet stores should stop carring them because most are wild caught.

 

[LLLReptile]

Not sure why our name was mentioned in this thread, but I will respond anyhow for fun. As for owning monitors - some of them can be amazing pets. You are putting all monitor lizards under a blanket answer when you say that they should not be owned as pets. People outside of the reptile hobby would look at bearded dragons and say the same thing about you if they didn't know any better... Gotta re-think that answer! MOST monitors are actually awesome pets. One of the best pets we ever had was was our 5 foot Argus Monitor. Great pet, great animal, and very friendly. Takes the right owner to deal with larger species, but saying that they should not be owned at all just makes no sense. Now - you are correct that many monitors are wild caught. Not many breed monitors on a large scale. Unlike Beardeds, monitors are easily imported, and not easily reproduced. The hobby is improving on them every year, and we see more and more CB species, especially compared to years ago when only the high end ones were bred. Hopefully that trend will continue. We buy and sell CB whenever possible (i.e. argus monitors, tristus, ackies and many other species).

Feeding them? Not sure how this topic went from someone in a store talking about feeding lizards to their monitor (yes, that makes no sense, and is ignorant of someone to do, not to mention inhumane), but went from that to talking about feeding them rodents and other stuff. Sure, they will eat rodents (and canned high quality dog food is ok to mix in as well, and yes, they will eat it.) But one of the best diets for a monitor lizard is what we recommend, and what we do as well. Ground turkey & egg mixed with vitamins. San Diego Zoo came up with this diet, and it is great for most monitor lizards. Now - just like snake owners, there will be those who want to feed rodents to their pets. Just the nature of the beast. Again though - not sure how you can justify wanting to own a Bearded Dragon, but not allowing others to own monitor lizards? What if the cricket keepers of america were up in arms over you feeding live crickets to your pet? (that is a joke...).

What I am getting at is every reptile keeper should be respected until they do something that earns them otherwise (again, see the guy feeding lizards to his monitor). You will always see ignorant people like you met in the pet store that just creates a bad name for the hobby, but for the most part, people research their pets, and realize what they are getting in to before they make their purchase.

As for our animals - since you took a slight shot at our animals (I do appreciate your business, so don't take this personally back), myself, the owner, and our large staff all absolutely love the animals. That is the reason we do this. We go way, way out of our way to find the best possible breeders and dealers, and our cages are kept extremely clean, with the proper set ups, proper bedding, purified water (yes, delivered weekly), very specific diets for all of our animals, and one of the best guarantees in the business when you have something shipped to you sight unseen. But, that is the cool thing about us - you can come in our stores and see for yourself. We NEVER drop-ship animals. They all are in our stores. If you make a judgement over something someone told you, or the "I have heard", it doesn't make sense. If you have a personal negative experience, then you absolutely have the right to speak your mind. No - we will never make everyone happy, but I just wanted to stress that just like you guys - we got into this because we all love reptiles here. I say this, as I think it gets overlooked sometimes at other businesses. That is why we buy from individual breeders (some of which are on this site), all the way up to the biggest name breeders in the US. We do our best to support the entire hobby (and answer questions on boards like this!)

Any questions ever specifically for us, feel free to call anytime or email us. I don't always catch all the threads on this board, but I do what I can.

Scott
LLLReptile & Supply

 

[spurlee01]

Scott, if I'm not mistaken your name was originally brought up because one of your caresheets (the one on black roughneck monitors) says to feed dog and cat food. I have NO experience with monitors, and no way or knowing if this is standard or not, just thought I would tell you what people are up in arms about . I don't know that I've seen anyone representing a store or company handle a derogatory post quite so well as you did that one.