Help could the Beardie be blind???

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I am posting this for a friend who has a bearded dragon but is unable to get to a computer and I have seen the symptoms he has now and seen him healthy to witness the changes in behavior.

Spike is a male bearded dragon who is approx 8-9 years old. He eats meal worms and veggies. (he cannot eat crickets because for some reason he gets impacted and needs vet trips with enemas, so no crickets as per vet advice).

He is in a very large 40 gallon breeder tank...good bulbs and proper heat, carpet on one side of tank with a box of walnut right under his basking light. (he prefers the walnut shell substrate but is fed on the carpet part of the tank so as to diminish chances he will ingest it).

Spike has recently stopped eating because "when he tries to eat his head is swaying back and forth". And he has stopped drinking.

He has tried to bite my friend-which is NOT NORMAL because Spike is a sweetheart. And when he goes to get the meal worms from his dish he misses.

When he walks he looks "unbalanced" and trips over things, and sometimes stumbles over nothing at all....he sways his head back and forth when he is on the move.

His eyes are not clear but dont look like they have skin shed stuck to them, his body itself has some skin shed stuck on it (if eye shed is the case though, other than soaking, what is a good way to get them off)

He has lost some weight but his tail is still the same as it has been, and his hip bones are their "normal" pointy size.

He has not fallen, nor been dropped or left on his own unsupervised where he could have hurt himself.

Please help me! I would like to give my firend some hope on her beardie getting better...thanks. Theresa
 

snazzyglasses

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Aw poor Spike :(
Actually the bulb could be at least contributing to his problem. ReptiGlo compacts are probably okay for some critters, but not bearded dragons. The UVB tubes proven safe for beardies are ReptiSun and Arcadia tubes. Specifically ReptiSun 10.0 and Arcadia 12.0. I know they're kind of pricey, but petmountain.com has them pretty cheap, and you can get the t8 fixture for the bulb from WalMart or a home improvement store.

I'm not sure how long it'll take his eyes to recover if the problem was in fact the ReptiGlo compact, but I bet someone else will come along who does know! :) Good luck! <3
 

mikewithsfi

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I agree with Snazz the compact bulbs causes damage (photo-kerato-conjunctivitis) which is usually the result of abnormally high exposure to ultraviolet radiation . At first the bulbs put out too much and this burns the eyes. Beardies have a tendency to stare at the bulbs which makes it worse. Then after some time they die out and do not put out enough. My pet store only carried compacts at one time and I had to use one. So next to the compact I put a white bulb that helped. As soon as they got the tubes I got one.

It depends on the damage so far if indeed it is the compact bulb, but given the details I would bet my money on the bulb. I have read some cases clearing once the bulb is replaced with in 2 days and I have read some taking 14 days. Have your friend buy a new tube uvb and try that. If the bulb is the problem you should start seeing some improvement as time passes. If she doesnt see improvement after switching bulbs it is now time to take the little one to the vet.
 

Tonja

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your friend can turn the uvb off till a reptisun tube or arcadia tube can be bought and put in the tank....take the beardie out for natural sunlight for 20 - 30 mins a day for his uvb.
 

tunderwood17

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Awesome thanks guys, I will be sure to let her know to get rid of the bulb.

On a side note-what is the consensus on ceramic heat bulbs? I have one of those for my beardie.....again thanks!
 

Drache613

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Hello,

Definitely, the Reptiglo 10 compact/coil light is most likely the culprit. The age could be partially contributing also, but the light is definitely not helping.
It sounds like he has developed metabolic bone disease based on his loss of appetite & balance, also. How long has she been using this bulb?
As suggested, the Reptisun 10 tube or the Arcadia D3 12% tube bulb either one are fine along with a bright white basking bulb.
The ceramic heat bulbs, etc are ok, but not as the only basking since it only emits heat but no light. He needs light during day & you can use a ceramic heat emitter during the nighttime to help keep him warm in his tank, if needed.
How often does she use calcium for him? As an adult, he does need calcium 3 times per week. Being under a bulb which doesn't emit the proper UVB wavelength such as the Reptiglo coil light, he wont be able to absorb his calcium & other vitamins properly.

Let us know how he is doing.

Tracie
 

tunderwood17

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Thanks Tracie for your response! First thing first, Spike is still not doing well. My friend took the bulb out and replaced it with a reptisun tube bulb. He refuses to drink and if she tries to soak him he does an alligator death roll. She has been syringe feeding him baby food, fruits & veggies, just to try and get some nutrients into him. I don't think he's going to make it as his tail is finally losing some of its girth...unfortunately she is an out of work single mom and receives no unemployment benefits, so taking Spike to the vet is not an option right now.

Secondly, for my beardie Canth, who is named after F'nor's brown dragon in the Pern series. ( Canth ends up damaging one of his wings in the series and my beardie had one of his feet bitten off by a clutch-mate so I thought it was appropriate) The bulbs I use for him are ceramic for night time, a ZooMed basking spot light, a Reptisun 5.0 and half of his tank gets natural sunlight during the year so he will sit in that most times.
 

Spikeshuman

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Reptisun 5.0 is made for tropical lizards. The reptisun 10.0 is what you need for a desert lizard. Whatever sun he recieves through the window.. is only warming him up which is probably why he sits there. The glass from a window or tank will completely block out any UV.
 

Drache613

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Hello,

How long did she have him under the compact/coil light before placing the Reptisun 10 tube bulb, is that the bulb she got?
Is she using a bright white basking light or a colored type of light?
Is she giving him calcium on a regular basis?
Try to get some pictures of him so we can see the condition of him.
Have her continue to feed him with the baby food right now to help with nutrition.

Let us know how things are going.

Tracie
 

tunderwood17

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Spikeshuman":3jpk907k said:
Reptisun 5.0 is made for tropical lizards. The reptisun 10.0 is what you need for a desert lizard. Whatever sun he recieves through the window.. is only warming him up which is probably why he sits there. The glass from a window or tank will completely block out any UV.

Hey Spikeshuman,
I actually meant to type Zilla 50w...I kept looking at everyone talking about the Reptisuns and didn't realize what I typed. Canth's cage has a removable screened shelf in the summer time and he sits there in front of the window and I have the screen on that as well....obviously I don't do that in winter, but either way he has the light strip and his spot light...

I'll get her to text me some pics of Spike though...I haven't been there in a few weeks so I couldn't say for myself what he looks like now....thanks!!!
 

tunderwood17

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Drache613":3l8uex4a said:
Hello,

How long did she have him under the compact/coil light before placing the Reptisun 10 tube bulb, is that the bulb she got?
Is she using a bright white basking light or a colored type of light?
Is she giving him calcium on a regular basis?
Try to get some pictures of him so we can see the condition of him.
Have her continue to feed him with the baby food right now to help with nutrition.

Let us know how things are going.

Tracie

Tracie, as far as I know she has been using coil bulbs for years...yes she got the Reptisun 10 tube. That is the only light she gives him, his basking spot is a heat rock (don't get me started on that-I hate them and I've fought with her for years on using them). She gives him calcium sprinkled on his veggies since he has them more frequently than the mealworms.
 
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