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Neromom39

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Well, where to start??? First of all, as you can tell by the title, our new little man's name is Zilla (not short for Godzilla, just Zilla).

My sister and I arrived in Valencia around 11:30 am and when we walked in the door, the entire enclosure had alrady been broken down and was sitting in entry way with him still in it. I had already made up my mind that no matter what I was going to see, the only reaction I was going to display was happiness to be getting this dragon. When she handed him to me he was ice cold :shock: . I have no idea how long he had been sitting in that torn down enclosure waiting for me to get there. And I could immediately tell she had no attachment to him. Because I was in the house less than a minute before she handed him to me and showed no emotion about relinquishing her pet to a total stranger. So I took him outside and placed him in the carrier I had set up with the rice sock and fleecie while my sister and the previous owner loaded the enclosure in my truck. Once I had paid her she went into her house and before I left her driveway I did an inventory of what I had just bought for $100:

1 36x18x18 enclosure (which by the way had about 1/4 inch of Calci-Sand :banghead: and crickets in it)
1 Deep dome light fixture with a 100 watt blue incadescent aquarium bulb
1 smaller light fixture with a CHE
1 non-treated log
1 huge half log used for his hide
1 flat dish used for his salad
1 huge deep pet bowl filled with water

I have to tell you that out of all of the rescue dragons that have ever been posted on this site, in his current state, Zilla has to be the most prehistoric thing I have ever seen. Now I will fill you in on his condition as I see it:

He is GRAY!!!! I pretty much confirmed that this poor dragon has not had any UVBs for the past year and a half. :angry5:
There are claws missing on at least two of his feet. The toes on his right rear foot have been shortened and his tail is severely nipped.
It appears that there are loose scales on him however I can't be sure that this is case and I am not going to pull at them to see if they come off. I don't think he has ever had a decent shed.
I am not going to rule out MBD however he does walk fine but there are times when he will just freeze. Sometimes I think he just might be scared, but I have read enough on this site to know that that is probably wishful thinking.
He is severly dehydrated. I gave him what was probably his first bath ever last night and the skin near his vent is so droopy and saggy I was almost in tears.
I had to wipe some goo away from his eyes as well after his bath last night. They look better today, however he seems to close the left one more often so we may need to have that one looked into when we take our trip to the vet (next Saturday was the earliest I could get him in).
He is extremely skinny :? .. at the age of 1 and a half years + he is just slightly bigger than Nero who is almost 9 months old.


This is what we have done for him since we got him home:

He is currently quarantined upstairs in one of our spare bedrooms. (I kind of like the one on one time with him)
We cleaned out the enclosure that he came with because it is slightly larger than the one I had waiting for him.
The bottom of the enclosure is lined with tile and paper towels for now until we can see the vet.
He now has an MVB bulb with his basking spot at 104 and his cool side at 81 (Accurite thermometer)
The non-treated log has been discarded and replaced with a treated one and the huge half log has been sawed in half so it doesn't take up 3/4 of the enclosure yet still provides him with a hide (although at the moment he has chosen to snuggle up underneath one of the paper towels to sleep)

And in all of my preparedness for relocation stress, the little bugger has decided that he will not be defeated and he ate the 20 or so crickets he was offered (dusted with extra calcium, because I don't think he has EVER had any). Let me tell you he is a hunter, he doesn't wait for them to come to him. By the way, like the others, we feed him outside of his viv. He didn't touch his salad all day, however the crickets must have stimulated his appetite because we went back upsatirs and not only was most of his mustard greens and acorn squash gone but there was POO :blob5:

What I find most interesting is that I wonder if anyone ever talked to him, because when I do, he tilts his head as if it's the sweetest thing he's ever heard.

I have taken several pictures so everyone can see what this little guy has been through. I would post them tonight however my husband is currently playing Guitar Hero-Metallica and can't be bothered to download them from my camera. So I PROMISE I will post them tomorrow.

I'm glad he's here. He needs me and I intend to do right by him.

Until tomorrow with pics.

Robin
 

UTreptiles

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So glad to hear that Zilla is in a much better home now. Sounds to me like he is getting better already. I am sure he will do just fine now that he is being cared for.
 

MissT

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Im so glad you got him home. Im sure it will be no time before you have him looking better!! Keep us posted!

T
 

kiyohime

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I am really happy to hear that Zilla is in good hands! I want to see pictures, although I'm sure they will just upset me :(. I hope that he doesn't have MBD, but he may have a calcium deficiency. I would suggest feeding him silkworms (don't know what you usually feed your beardies), since they have the enzyme serrapeptase that helps absorb calcium. Plus, they're like delicious lizard burritos!

I can't wait to hear updates on his condition, especially after his vet visit.
 

Jasper's Mom

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Oh my. I went and looked at the pictures on the original rescue thread, and they just broke my heart. Poor Zilla is soooo skinny! I'm thrilled that he's eating and pooping for you though - he must think he's won the lottery. I'm almost afraid to ask if you know how much he weighs.
 

neecie

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Robin................20 min ago I posted "has any one adopted the beardie from Valencia?).........Happy to read that his response is so encouraging. You're doing a fantastic job. - yea, also I'm a big believer in silkworms (from Mulberry Farms)
 

beardlover

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I'm so glad you've taken Zilla into your home! I think the turn around in his condition is going to be quick, with the love and care you are putting into him he's going to thrive :blob5:
Thank you so much for adopting him!
 

Neromom39

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Here are the pictures I promised.

Meet Zilla everyone...

These first two were taken right after we got home:




Probably his first ever bath:




He was frozen in this spot for a good 3 hours or so... never moved. I imagine he couldn't get enough of the UVB's


And this is when we found that he had eaten all of his salad. I was surprised and happy at the same time!




He is currently cruising around his viv like a champ. Actually jumping from log to stick and for the first time since we brought him home he is holding his head up as if he has regained some of his dignity. I am worried about his left eye though. He seems to close it an awful lot and earlier it seemed like he was actually bulging it out with it closed (did that make any sense)? I watched him and he like puffed it out and then after a little bit, it went back to normal and he opened it up again. It seems like it is a little sunken in so I am not sure how to fix that. He has an appointment with the vet next Saturday, so I'm hoping that the extent of his issues are not too severe and we just need to fatten him up. The lack of UVB's is obvious. I'm sure you can tell that in the pictures. Does he not look prehistoric???

I have determined that the dicoloration on his lower legs, his tail and underneath his beard are a result of that stupid a$$ Calci-Sand because is the color the sand was. When my husband was cleaning the enclosure out he literally had to SCRAPE crap off of the bottom. No telling how long that stuff had been in there. Again I don't think Zilla has ever had a bath in his entire life. I am hoping that over time the discoloration will dissipate. After all this time without UVB's is it possible for him to regain any normal color back? I don't even know what his original color is so if he never changes I will never know if he has or not.

In any case, I will take the advice regarding the silkworms. I want to be sure that I give him every possible opportunity to recover. After looking at the pictures, please, if anyone sees something that I do not please, please tell me so I can address it. I am by no means an expert. My expertise is about 8 1/2 months old with the arrival of my bad boy Nero (who is going through total head shed at the moment, CRANKY! :angry5: ) I appreciate any comments or advice that anyone has to offer. I am not to proud to take it. Especially when it comes to my "kids".

Talk to everyone soon.
 

Neromom39

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Jasper's Mom":ab916 said:
Oh my. I went and looked at the pictures on the original rescue thread, and they just broke my heart. Poor Zilla is soooo skinny! I'm thrilled that he's eating and pooping for you though - he must think he's won the lottery. I'm almost afraid to ask if you know how much he weighs.

I know Nero weighed 248 grams last month and that was at 7 months. When I pick Zilla up he feels like he weighs the equivalent of air and he is over a year and half. Heck I think my 5 month old Sweetie Boo weighs more than he does.
 

Freeie

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Oh lord!! Poor little guy!! He looks so skinny! It just breaks my heart to see that :( I'm SO glad to got him. His colors will change with time and baths and maybe when he gets all fat and healthy again a good shead. We used a toothbrush on Zero every bath to try and scrub off all the poop he was covered in. I'm so happy hes eating and basking for you. That picture of his face :cry:
 

Neromom39

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Can someone please answer a question for me?

Since Zilla is probably very calcium deficient, should I be dusting his food daily to get the calcium into him or should I just stick to the regimen that the others are on of every other day. I'm also curiuos about protein as well. He is eating his crickets just fine, however I am limiting them (I will be ordering silkworms) because I don't know what his feeding schedule was before I got him. I don't want to overload him on the protein. At his age he shouldn't be eating live bugs as often as the younger ones, but he is so pathetically skinny that I'm not sure if I should be caring for him as if he were a baby dragon.

Any help appreciated.
 

msmaui

Juvie Member
Poor little Zilla. He's so thin and he looks so sad. I'll bet in a month he will be a totally different little guy.
 

neecie

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If it were me, I'd treat Zilla as a baby - and probably cuddle a lot too. I'm sure he missed that.
 

Freeie

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I was told squash n pea baby food. Its starchy and that helps them get all plump and their normal salads. I think it was butterworms if they are over 15 to 16" long those were good for fattening up too. And to give them the limited amount of live feeders a week. We give Zero 30 crickets a week and thats it.
 
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