Bloated and not digesting as well?

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Dartag'nan is a pretty fat lizard. I have been too lenient on her for crickets and it's coming back to bite me. She's got a lot of pudge, and she's gotten super lazy about hunting in her cage. She used to run around and catch them, but now she just sits there and waits until they come to her. I noticed she was gaining weight a while a go, and I was told it was normal for beardies to have a little belly, but I'm starting to doubt that more and more as it has gotten worse. She has shed and grown, but she's still pretty dang fat. My major worry is her pooping habits. She used to poop every day, and was fine, but now she is saving up and having one gigantic poop every other day. It's not like her and I don't think it's healthy. She eats large crickets. That could be the problem, I give her eight to ten large crickets each meal, twice a day, and a good pile of veggies. Including her long tail, she's about a foot long, and I figured she was big enough to have large crickets, but I could be totally wrong. She's also a little less active in her cage. She likes to run around and climb on her hammock, but lately she has just been resting, climbing on her wood to bask, and chilling with her eyes half closed. I'm really concerned. I'm a first time lizard owner, and I love Dar a lot, and I really want to make sure I'm taking good care of her.
 

apndi

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How old is she and can you post a pic? As they start to mature, they poop less often and they typically get lazier. My beardie’s appetite and activity slowed down when he hit 10-12 months old.
 

Darthedraggo

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I think she's about four months. The pictures are bad and she dropped some weight in the last gigantic poop... and she had some stress marks because I interrupted her nap. Such an evil mommy.

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Drache613

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Hello,

I think she looks pretty good but she is still a youngster so giving the larger crickets
is likely what's causing her digestive issues.
She could be partially impacted, or just having trouble fully digesting them. Are they
wider than the space between her eyes? If so, they are too big. I would go back down
to the medium ones so that it reduces the risk of impaction. She should be able to
digest them better.
At her age, she is still growing so she needs a good amount of protein right now. So,
the amount you are feeding is fine & you could even increase it some but just change
the size of the crickets you are feeding. You could also consider using some silkworms,
hornworms or butterworms for some variety for her. That's great she is eating her greens
& veggies.
You could try getting some non dairy soy yogurt (organic, either flavored or plain), or
some non dairy acidophiliz to give to her for a couple of weeks to see if that helps out
her system.
Are you using a good UVB light also? What are the temperatures in her tank?

Tracie
 

apndi

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Her weight looks fine to me. They can puff themselves up when basking and if feeling threatened, making themselves appear fatter and bigger. At four months, she should be getting two live insect meals a day as well as salad being offered daily (though at this age she may not eat that consistently). If the large crickets are being dusted with calcium 1x a day 5x a week and with a multivitamin powder 1x a day 2x a week, and if they are an appropriate size for her (no longer than the space between her eyes), then she is eating as much as she needs. And don't worry about her not really going after the crickets..sometimes they go through short phases where they're not as enthusiastic about food as before, and sometimes (like with my beardie) they learn that you will hand them the crickets if they don't chase after them. :roll: However, just to make sure everything is all good, you can list your set up (such as tank size, light set up, substrate, and temps) and people can tell you if there is anything in your husbandry that may be causing the decrease in appetite. :D
 

Darthedraggo

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Sorry for the late response, we had some people being adopted into our family, so we were out of town for the finalization. Have three new cousins :)

I've moved to smaller crickets. She dropped a ton of weight after a humongous poop. My light is a reptisun 10 bulb, and her basking spot is in the high 90's.
 

EllenD

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She looks fine, maybe even a bit thin! At 4 month old she needs a ton of live insects every single day, up until she's at least a year old. So please do not decrease the number of insects she eats in each feeding session, you are doing a good job. It's good that you do at least 2 live insect feeding sessions per day, they should each be 10-15 minutes long and she should be allowed to eat AS MANY live bugs as she wants to. So you were not at all being "too lenient". The insects were just a bit big for her, as Tracie said they need to be smaller than the space between her eyes. So if you went back down to small crickets then she'll be eating many more than she was of the larger ones, and that's good, let her eat as many as she wants to! So many beardie owners do not feed nearly enough live insects to their dragons during their first year of life, they just come up with a set number per feeding or even per day, like 10, and it's not even close to the number of live bugs they should be eating every day.

It is a very good idea to mix up her type of live bugs though, in my opinion the best live feeder insect for bearded dragons are Phoenix Worms/BSFL/Nutrigrubs/Calciworms/Reptiworms (all the same thing, just different brand names depending on where you order them from). It's good to mix it up a little. For example, my 6 month old male eats a mix of large BSFL (you can feed her size large BSFL/Phoenix Worms, they are soft and won't cause impaction, and the smalls or mediums are too small and not worth it at all) and dubia roaches, though I'm switching away from dubia roaches after we finish what I currently have, as I'm seeing far too many dragons come down with Gout/Pseudogout due to their extremely high protein content and what they are being fed by their breeders/vendors you buy them from, like dog food and high protein roach food. So like my year old female he's going to eat size large BSFL as his main staple live insect, and then he'll also get 1-2 small/medium Superworms in addition to the BSFL.

I order my BSFL online in bulk, either from www.dubiaroaches.com (cheapest) or from www.symtonbsf.com I pay only $23 for 1,000 size large BSFL. He typically eats between 15-20 in the morning, 15-20 in the late afternoon, then either around 10 more BSFL or 1-2 small/medium Superworms (usually only 1 Superworm, I don't like giving them any more than that at one time). Occasionally I buy butterworms or wax worms and give them 1-2 as a treat once a week, and even a batch of crickets here and there. Then they get a fresh salad every morning after their first live insect feeding made of fresh greens and veggies, which he actually eats a great deal of.

As they get older they will slow down, they will definitely poop less often, sometimes my year old will go a week or so between poops, that's completely normal and I don't worry unless it has been at least 10 days between poops for my year old. From 6 months on you're going to see him slow down, it's not so much laziness as it is normal slowing down that they do. They become less active, they eat less live insects and more fresh greens and veggies, they poop much less often, and they sleep a bit more. This is all completely normal. But at 4 months old your guy should be allowed to eat as many appropriately-sized live insects as he wants to in 10-15 minutes, twice a day. So do not limit him at all until he gets to be around a year old, they do 85-90% of their growing and developing during their first year of life and they definitely need all the live protein.
 

AHBD

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Hi there, can you actually measure her so you know her exact length ? Sometimes guesses are way off and it's always good to know their true size and if you could get her weight that would be good also. She definitely can eat medium to large crickets so there may be something else going on. If not large, at least medium but not small crickets.

Also, what exact type + brand of lights are you using and what are the temps. throughout the tank ?
 

Darthedraggo

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She's about a foot. I measured her recently, I never really estimated. I have the reptisun UVB light. Her basking area is in the 90's, the middle is in the 80's, and the cool side is in the 70's. They bounce around a little as the weather outside changes, since winter is hitting.
 
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