black soldier fly in california

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ok i read up on how to breed phoenix worms aka black soldier fly larve and have seen the biopod online that you need to breed them. my question is does anyone know if theres any black soldiers flies in So. California. or does any one have a setup where they let the phoenix worms turn into flies so they can mate without letting them out into the open.
 

clear

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I have been thinking about them also. I have thought about setting up like a green house for them. I dont like buying things that I can make myself so I would try to make my own pod also.
 

diggerdrake

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You can use a small screened area to capture the flies that come from your pod but you will need a larger area than 2X2X2 for them to breed. The pod where the grubs hatch and compost needs to be in a shaded area but the flies require light and heights up to 30' for breeding. Most that breed grubs rely on wild flies for eggs. Many are using them for feeding fish in their ponds also. A greenhouse for them may work but you would want to make sure that there are only non-wild flies that deposit the eggs if you were to keep true to not feeding anything wild caught to your dragon. The flies can be found throughout the States but surive better in the tropical and sub tropical areas. I found a blog that was rather informative from someone that has been breeding them for quite some time. http://blacksoldierflyblog.com/ I been reading quite a bit on them and the uses are rather intriguing. the by-products are amazing and the impact of using BSF for composting is great for reducing much waste that we generate daily.
 

INCA

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i would also in breeding black soilder flys.. whats the difference between magots and bsf larvea?
 

bestcrickets

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blacl soldier fly magots, larvae,phoenix worms, and biogrubs, are the same thing. there pretty simlpe to breed if there live in the wild in your area. all you need is a few table scraps and a bucket and before you know it you will have thousands of them or at least that is what i read.
does anyone know of a website that will tell me what kind of insects there is in the area i live in?
 

diggerdrake

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the BSF only lives a week or so. If you were to start with your own grubs(phoenix worms) then as they mature you will have introduced BSF into your area if there are none at the time. The compost tea that is a by-product from the composting will attract the BSF to lay their eggs. The tea will also deter other flies from inhabiting your pod. There may be other soldier flies at first (there are over 20,000 species) but the BSF will prevail in time. It would be interesting to see a working operation of the bio-pods or any other phoenix worm farm. Keeping the BSF in check to ensure only captive bred would be extremely difficult as these intriguing creatures are used in many other apps other than producing the wonderful grubs that our dear herps eat. Uses include composting animal waste, human food waste (they make a pod for event usage as in concerts) , an additive in poultry eed to increase protein intake, also added to other feeds for the same, using them in landfills greatly reduce the food waste we toss on a daily basis thus reducing the methane build up as the grubs devour it rapidly, fish farms use as a feeder ... actually the uses are extremely wide spread. Many backyard gardners reap the benefits of the pod as the composting only takes a mere 24-36 hours versus the months a typical composting bin takes to produce the same. At first I was sceptical in the benefits of having a working pod but as the benefits unfold it looks like a great alternative just for the gardening aspect for household usage. A person with horses or any livestock can benefit as the manure pile accumulates the grubs break down the manure to usable fertilizer in a fraction of the time . The "tea" has a few uses as a liquid concentrate fertilizer and a pest fly deterent. Also to be used as an attractant for the BSF to lay eggs in a place for easy collection to hatch more grubs. Think of the typical garbage a household either throws away or sends down the disposal. 5 pounds per day typical for a family of 4-6 will be reduced to a pound af compost. 100 pounds of garbage plus 1 pound worth of grubs will give you 5 pounds of compost, several quarts of "tea" and a whopping 20 pounds of more grubs. Really worth looking into even if you are hesitant to feed the grubs to your herps. You can always use them as fish food or even bait. The BSF will thrive well in the warmer regions but can survive in the colder areas except the winter times as the grubs will need some heat to survive the winter. These are things I have read both from the bio-pod site and their message board including some blogs from members there.
 

INCA

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so to get the larvea just leave out some table scraps and just collocet them??
 

bestcrickets

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thats the idea behind breeding phoenix worms. you would have to leave some phoenix worms in with the table scraps. black soldier flies are attracted to the phoenix worms. you can start a colony with out the phoenix worms in the food scraps but it would just take longer. there great worms and pretty simple to breed i just need to know if theres any in my area. i wouldnt want to invest money in the setup and later find out there isnt any in my area. yeah i could let some turn into flies and release them in my area, but that would be selfish and gready of me. :banghead:
 

diggerdrake

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So has anyone decided to try and raise their own PW yet. If so I am sure that many would like to see set-ups. Well at least I would like to see
 

serramagk

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Glad to see this post. I first read about BSF over the winter and have been waiting for the weather to warm up. I don't think we are going to do the bio pod just yet. We are going to try to make our own even though the bio pod is probably superior in many ways.

I did email a couple of people over the winter asking questions, one being the man who's over at http://blacksoldierflyblog.com
He's extremely nice and a wealth of information. I wonder if he would be interested in posting here so we could ask him some questions...hmmm.

I would love to keep up with everyone's progress and impressions.

EDIT: Here's a forum thread on PondBoss.com and it details over time his experiences starting a colony. It's kind of a long read, but fascinating!
http://www.pondboss.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=87501#Post87501
 
I tried making a homemade version of the BioPod last year and it was pretty much a failure so I went ahead and bought the real thing a couple months ago, along with the 1 pound of worms. Then I made an outdoor enclosure for it by closing in my kid's old jungle gym with mosquito netting I got from an Army/Navy surplus store. Enclosed area is about 6ft x 8ft x 6ft tall. So far, so good. The worms have started turning into flies and they are laying eggs in the BioPod, so I'm pretty happy. The $275 for the unit seemed high, but I'd spend more than that for Phoenix Worms during hatchling season anyway and it really does work.
 

bestcrickets

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thats what i wanted to hear. can you post up a few pics of your setup. im pretty sure alot of people would like to set something up like yours.
 
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