Baby bearded not acting right

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CoolRex

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My beardie is about 3 to 4 months old I have had him for a month and he was doing fine eating crickets, some fruits and veggies and temps are fine. He had a shed about a week ago his tail seems to be still shedding a bit but now all of a sudden he is not eating and he is soooo sleepy, I tried giving him a bath and he wakes a little but not much then I put him back in his enclosure under his basking light and he stays asleep then in a few minutes goes back down to the floor of the enclosure and sleeps pretty flat. Is this ok ? Any advice would help.
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No, this doesn't sound normal at all for a 3 to 4 mo old beardie. At that young age, he should be very active and should be wanting to bask. What are the basking & cool side temps and what type of thermometer are you using?

And, please fill us in on the brand & type of UVB and what the distance is of it. How often are you dusting with calcium and vitamins?

How many crickets are you offering and is he eating daily? What greens, veggies and fruit?

How often had you been bathing him?

Is he housed alone? Or, is he in view of any other beardies or animals?
 

CoolRex

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I have a 15 watt "zilla" UVB and a 75 watt red light and a 75 watt basking lamp, he was eating about 10 small crickets a day and dandelion greens some banana . He is in my living room, we do have a small conure in a cage in that room ? I didn't even think that could be a problem .... Could it ? I have given him 2 baths in the past 2 days but he doesn't seem any better. He is just sleeping on the bottom of the enclosure. During the day the hot side gets to about 95 but he doesn't want to bask he just stays on the bottom, when I put him up in his tree ( which he used to bask on) he just comes back down.
I think I got all the questions.... What else could it be ?
 

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Part of the problem could indeed be the conure as he may consider that a predator. Is there any way that you could move one or the other to another room?

Unfortunately there have been some health issues related with the Zilla UVB's as they don't put out the right amount of UVB, at first it is strong but the rays diminishes very quickly. Some other symptoms that we have heard about are loss of appetite, lethargy, eye issues, etc. The best fluorescent UVB in the U.S. is the Repti-Sun 10.0 and you can find that here for a very reasonable price: www.petmountain.com Since your UVB now spans the whole length of the tank, there is no way that he can escape the rays of it. Also, a colored basking bulb is rough on the eyes, they actually do much better with a bright white basking bulb, gives them more energy which also helps increase their appetites. You can actually use a standard household light bulb for the basking bulb. If he is laying around with his eyes closed, I would suggest turning the UVB off for a few days in case that is causing him some problems.

What are the basking & cool side temps and what type of thermometer are you using? If using any type of stick-on thermometer, those can actually be off 20 degrees. The only 2 ways to get accurate readings are with either an infrared temp gun or a digital thermometer with a long wire & probe end. Walmart has the AcuRite brand digital w/probe that will give both readings at the same time as well as a humidity readout for about $12.00. It should be in the area where the plastic thermometers are, probably the garden center. What you need to know is the basking surface temp.

For your aged beardie, you should be dusting with calcium 5 days a wk, but only 1 feeding a day and with vitamins the other 2 days a wk, but only 1 feeding a day. How long has he not been eating? It would be a good idea to pick up some chicken and squash baby food (stage one), mix a little of each with one of the supplements and a small amt of water to thin it. Heat it in the microwave to take the chill off, then use a plastic medicine dropper or needle-less syringe and put drops on his nose for him to lick off. Babies can't go very long without protein so would be a good idea to act quickly.

When he is acting better, he should be offered crickets 3 times a day, all he can eat in a 10 to 15 minute timeframe, make sure the crickets are no larger than the space between his eyes.

How long has it been since his last poop? Also, what substrate is on the bottom of the tank?

Sorry for all the questions, just trying to rule some things out so we can get him feeling and acting better.
 

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Thank you for responding, ok so I turned the UVB off for now, I have a white bulb 75 watt for his basking side, I have a digital prob suction cup, with wire, his basking side is reading 104 at the top where he use to bask on his tree and about 88 on the bottom of the basking side, where he is laying now. I am going to move his to another room away from our bird( he was fine though for the past few weeks with the bird) do you think that could be a problem ? He hasn't pooped in about 4 days, or eaten. When I pick him up he seems active then he just goes back to sleep, I put him in his basking spot and he actively jumps down then goes to sleep. I am using repti carpet for the subtrate. I had a beardie before he lived for 10 years, but I never had any problems with him at all and we also got him at about a year old so I am scared since this guy is so little and not eating.... Any more advice is greatly appreciated. Leaving now to go get baby food.
 

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If you can, it might be benefical to take him out for some natural sunlight everyday if you can. It will help him with absorbing the calcium.

Your temps seem fine to me, and its good that you got a different bulb for basking.

Have you bathed him today? You might want to give him a bath for 10 or so minutes.

-Brandon
 

CoolRex

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He actually just pooped, it is all white ???? Is that ok ? He didn't go much, but it is something.
 

Claudiusx

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the entire poo is white?
How big is it? can you get a picture of it?

If you do get a picture of it, put a coin next to it so we have a size comparison.

-Brandon
 

CoolRex

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I tried feeding him the chicken and squash he would open and shut his mouth a few times trying to actually get it off only because I think it was annoying to him he was shaking his head and rubbed his nose shaker the glass of his enclosure, then stopped and wouldn't open his mouth anymore. How else can I get him to eat? For the size of the poo it looks like 4 small ants and they are white, I will try and get a pic
What else ????
 

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Most people force feed the baby food with a syringe like this
10-cc-plastic-syringe.jpg

If you have one you can use, thats great. If not i think you might be able to pick some up at a pharmacy. Or ask the pharmacist. Get one without a needle though. You don't need it.

Have you moved the tank out of the room with the bird yet?

-Brandon
 

diamc

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Did you thin the squash and chicken baby food? Most beardies really like that combination. I would keep trying to put a small amt on his nose each time, even before forcefeeding as it is much less stressful to them and to you. If you do decide to force feed, make sure you only squirt it in the side of his mouth because if you squirt it directly down his throat, he could aspirate on it.

So, he just passed the white part (urate) today? Do you know if it was hard like chalk or rubbery? It should actually be quite soft. If too hard or yellowy, it means they are not hydrated enough or that they are getting too much calcium.

When you take the temps with the probe thermometer, are you making sure that the probe is resting on (actually touching) the basking log and then waiting at least 45 min for the temp to stop rising?
 
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