Any tips on using a stethoscope?

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Derobmi

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Hi,

I got it in my head some weeks ago while Desmond had an URI that I should learn how to check his breathing. So I ordered a stethoscope (Fisher Price brand) (just kidding :D I got this slightly better one). I am now in possession of the stethoscope and have listened to my children's heartbeats (but not their breathing, gee, maybe I should try that, you think?). Anyway, the thing does work and I read the instructions. When I try to listen to my beardie's heart or lungs, his scales rub against the chest piece and make it difficult to hear anything besides that grating noise. I thought there might be a trick to doing this and that someone here might enlighten me.

I'm going to go listen to my daughter's breathing.

Thanks!
 

morphmom

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The stethoscope should still be able to still "hear" through a piece of cloth. Hope that helps :wink:
 

Derobmi

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morphmom":1vjwa29s said:
The stethoscope should still be able to still "hear" through a piece of cloth. Hope that helps :wink:

Thank you, I'll give it a try!
 

primal

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I don't really know how useful a stethoscope will be in assessing reptile lungs. When you look at the structure of mammalian lungs you'll notice that they are comprised of branching airways that ultimately end in alveoli. With a stethoscope you can hear issues with the airways and alveoli (i.e. the alveoli popping open causing crackles). Reptile lungs are basically an empty sack with no alveoli and not nearly as extensive a system of airways. So, really, I don't think auscultating the lungs are all that useful.

However...

It is difficult to auscult reptiles using a standard stethoscope, and some clinicians do not advocate ausculting reptiles. However, the author strongly recommends ausculting all reptile patients. A moist paper towel should be placed on the animal in the general vicinity of the lungs to reduce friction and noise associated with the bell housing of the stethoscope on the scales or scutes of a reptile.

Reptile Pneumonology by Mark A. Mitchell, DVM, MS, PhD (Louisana State University, School of Veterinary Medicine)
http://www.cabi.org/cabdirect/FullTextPDF/2006/20063240427.pdf
 

morphmom

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primal":37fnsg32 said:
Reptile Pneumonology by Mark A. Mitchell, DVM, MS, PhD (Louisana State University, School of Veterinary Medicine)
Seems you you need to log in to view this material. Is it possible for you to copy and paste the information?
 

primal

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I've copied the most pertinent information from the article.

HISTORY AND PHYSICAL EXAMINATION

Reptiles are considered obligate closed-mouth breathers. A reptile that is open mouth breathing should be considered a medical emergency. Most reptiles with respiratory disease will elevate their head in an attempt to straighten their trachea. Aquatic chelonians with respiratory disease may have difficulty swimming and will frequently have difficulty diving. A thorough history is essential to identifying a potential etiology(ies)responsible for respiratory disease in reptiles. In many cases, there will be deficiencies in the animal’s husbandry. Historical questions should include the environmental temperature range, humidity, enclosure size, substrate, cage furniture, animal density, exposure to commercial products (toxins), diet, and water source .

The physical examination should be thorough and complete. The nares should be clear and free of discharge. The oral cavity should be examined closely. The glottis should be moist and free of discharge. It is difficult to auscult reptiles using a standard stethoscope, and some clinicians do not advocate ausculting reptiles. However, the author strongly recommends ausculting all reptile patients. A moist paper towel should be placed on the animal in the general vicinity of the lungs to reduce friction and noise associated with the bell housing of the stethoscope on the scales or scutes of a reptile.

BACTERIAL DISEASES

Bacterial diseases are the most common cause of respiratory disease in captive reptiles. The majority of the isolates recovered from reptiles with pneumonia are opportunistic Gram-negative bacteria. Many of these isolates are typically found as inhabitants of the indigenous oral microbial flora. Tracheal/lung washes may be performed to collect samples for microbiological culture. An antimicrobial sensitivity assay should be performed on the isolate to determine the most appropriate antibiotic. A fluroquinolone, potentiated sulfa, cephalosporin, or aminoglycoside many be used as a first order antibiotic while the sensitivity assay is pending.

PARASITES

Endoparasites are a common finding in wild caught reptiles. Digenetic trematodes are frequently found in the trachea or lungs. The eggs of these parasites are generally disseminated with the sputum or swallowed and shed in the feces. Because these parasites require an invertebrate intermediate host, trematode infestations are generally self-limiting. Praziquantel can be given at 5-7 mg/kg per os or intramuscularly once every 10 days for three treatments to eradicate trematodes. Nematodes, including Entomelas spp., Rhabdias spp., and Strongyloides spp. are commonly identified in wild caught reptiles. These parasites can reinfest a host through the oral or percutaneous route; therefore treatment should include both the reptile and its environment.Fenbendazole can be given at 25-50 mg/kg per os once a day for 3 days to eliminate these parasites. Pentastomids are primitive annulate metazoans that infest reptiles. These parasites are generally found in the lungs. Diagnosis can be made on fecal float, radiographs, and/or endoscopy. Ivermectin (0.2 mg/kg) has been used to eradicate this parasite, but success using ivermectin may be variable. Surgical removal of the parasites provides the best results.

FUNGAL DISEASES

Fungal diseases associated with the respiratory system are rare in the author’s practice. Most respiratory fungal disease is identified in immunocompromised reptile patients. Reptiles provided inadequate husbandry are generally more susceptible to fungal pathogens. Many of the fungal isolates recovered from respiratory lesions are ubiquitous, opportunistic organisms. Reptiles maintained on long-term antibiotic therapy may also be predisposed to fungal infections. Treatment should include the removal of granulomatous masses and the administration of systemic antifungal therapy (Itraconazole 5-10 mg/kg POq 24h).

VIRAL DISEASES

Paramyxovirus has been associated with high morbidity and mortality in snake populations. This virus primarily affects the respiratory system and central nervous system. Diagnosis is generally made using a hemagglutination inhibition assay or at post-mortem. There is no effective treatment for this virus. Inclusion body disease is another viral disease that is associated with high mortalities in snake populations. A retrovirus is considered to be the etiologic agent of IBD, but this has not been confirmed. Affected snakes frequently develop progressive central nervous system deficits and secondary pneumonia. Diagnosis is generally made at post-mortem, although ante-mortem diagnosis from biopsies of the esophagus, liver or kidney may also be done. Herpes virus has been associated with severe disease in chelonians. Affected animals may present with both upper and lower respiratory tract disease, diarrhea, and central nervous system deficits. Diagnosis can be made from biopsies of affected tissues (histopathology) or currently available molecular diagnostic assays. There is no effective treatment for this virus.
 

Derobmi

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Very cool! I didn't get a chance to try either method yet but I will in the morning.

I appreciate your help, morphmom and primal! Thank you!
 

Derobmi

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I tried listening with a wet paper towel and it worked really well. I could hear his heartbeat quite plainly through his back and I could barely hear it before, even through his chest. When he breathed, I still could hear the grating sound but it was greatly lessened. :D I then tried with a t-shirt draped over Desmond and that also worked really well, almost as well as the wet paper towel. Then Desmond decided he'd had enough and became uncooperative and he went exploring instead.

I think I will have to continue practicing and I expect I'll learn what sounds are normal and eventually what sounds are not.

Thank you for your help!

Mary
 
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