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PicosParent

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Hi. Pico is an eight year old male. He has a tank that is four feet long, the floor is tiled, he has climbing branches, a hammock on the basking side as well as the cooler side, he has plenty of real rocks to bask, climb and lay on. He has a cave and hiding places behind the artificial vines hanging in his cage. We have the Repti-sun 10 hanging inside the cage and his basking side is usually in the 90's, he does not like it above 96 and will go down into his cave if it is. The cooler side is usually around 85 degrees. Pico will not eat crickets but he does love super worms and I use calcium powder with D in it on them. He will eat some peas and green beans and fruit, He refuses to eat any type of green unless I force it. I have tried every type of green the grocers sell (except of course lettuce). Once in a great while he will take a few bites because I put the worms in the salad.
He also has an outside cage for hot sunny days in the natural light. That is actually a large dog metal dog kennel that we carefully wrapped in chicken coop wire, put indoor outdoor carpet in and logs, rocks, fake vines etc. He loves to hang out in that cage on the deck and spends many hours out there since the weather has been very warm. Also, I let him out and walk around the yard with him as he is a mama's boy and I don't have to worry about him running off (I could of course never do this with my four month old dragon, Tango).

Pico was in to see the vet two weeks ago because he has not been eating much and he was throwing up clear, thick mucous. He seems dehydrated because every other day when he gets his bath, he starts gulping down water....lots of water! He has never done this before, just a few little sips during his bath. Then, after the bath, his beard blackens, he puffs up and starts vomiting. He tries to put his head up when the vomit comes but I lay him on my knee with an old towel on the floor below him and open his mouth to make it come out so he won't choke.
He is going through a very long shed right now and his color is very dark. Hi beard is not puffed out, but it is always dark now.

The vet did blood work a couple months ago when he wasn't eating and everything is good. I had taken in stool samples to both appointments and they were fine. This last time I took him in, he did and x-ray because he said that it was obvious from the tests and the pictures i showed him of his set-up that all the husbandry was excellent.
He put Pico on Metronidazole 25mg/ml suspension 1 time per day. The vomiting seemed to stop but now he has started again! The vet had told me that he wanted me to video tape him actually vomiting so he could see what was going on because all the tests just don't make sense. This vet is wonderful, has reptiles of his own and is very caring and thorough with Pico. As there is still quite a bit of the medication left in the bottle, I started giving it to him again yesterday and will be calling the vet tomorrow.

The vet had suggested it might be his kidneys shutting down!!! I pray to God it's not!!! If any of you have ANY advice, have been through this and know what I can and should be doing, PLEASE HELP ME!!!!! My little guy is so lethargic and just wants his mama to hold him. I feel so guilty going to work and scared of what I may find when I get home.....his stools are normal not runny and the white is bright white. I make sure he is either getting natural sun or the lights for 10-12 hours per day. He gets his liquid vitamins once a week.
 

AHBD

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Aw, I'm sorry about your old buddy ! I hope it's not his kidneys. One thing you might try is to let him drink a little less while in the bath, and try to give him water later in the day by dripping on his nose with an eyedropper or syringe. That way he might keep his water down a little better. Also, if he's getting calcium every day { ? } cut it down to twice a week, or even once. You might pm. Drache613, [ Tracie ] she's a mod. that can decipher bloodwork very well, and may have some other ideas. I hope you can get some help here.
 

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AHBD":38kqbvpr said:
You might pm. Drache613, [ Tracie ] she's a mod. that can decipher bloodwork very well, and may have some other ideas
Tracie is amazing. Helpful, knowledgeable, and kind.
 

AHBD

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By the way, did the vet say what the metronidazole was for since his fecals were clean ? I did read that caution must be exercised when this med. is given if there are liver or renal problems. Also, I wondered if you might try a probiotic to help his tummy. Soy yogurt [ non dairy ] or Acidophiliz + or Benebac are recommended.
 

PicosParent

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Thank you everyone. I am holding him here crying my eye balls out. I didn't have any soy yogurt but I did give him a little blueberry yogurt in a syringe. He has held it down and seemed to enjoy it. I let him have a little water out of my cupped hand so I could control it and I did send Tracie a message. Thank you so much for your concern....only fellow Beardie Lovers can truly understand.
 

AHBD

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You're welcome....I'm so sorry that this is so upsetting. And yes, fellow beardie owners understand. Tracie will have some good input, so if there's some hope, you can find it between your vet and Tracie's good advice. So he liked the blueberry yogurt ? I hope he keeps it down. Remember to use non dairy though. And keep up the lukewarm, short soaks. Make sure they are very shallow so he doesn't gulp down too much water and vomit.
 

PicosParent

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"By the way, did the vet say what the metronidazole was for since his fecals were clean ? I did read that caution must be exercised when this med. is given if there are liver or renal problems. Also, I wondered if you might try a probiotic to help his tummy. Soy yogurt [ non dairy ] or Acidophiliz + or Benebac are recommended."

Thank you AHBD, Dr. Wright said that the metronidazole was to stop the vomiting. I have both Acidophiliz and Benebac here. Can they be given with the medication and which one do you think is better? Believe me, I have bought everything on the market for my babies and I will do whatever it takes to help my Pico. I truly appreciate your input.
 

AHBD

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Probably either one is just fine....see which one he will lap up more easily , as if he likes it [ hopefully ] Just a bit of it, a few mls.
 

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Oh, one other question .... does the calcium that you use have D3 in it ? Because if he gets alot of natural sun in his outside cage it could he's getting too high levels of D3. His calcium supplement should be without D3.
 

PicosParent

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Yes, it does have D3 so too much calcium can cause all this???? Wow!! I was truly clueless and I would be thrilled if that is all it is!!!! You have given me hope!!!! Thank you so much!!!
 

AHBD

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Too much D3 can be somewhat toxic. I hope it is something easy to figure out, and reversible. Too much protein in the diet can be a problem, too. Is he a large dragon ? How much does he weigh + what is his length ?
 

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Hello,

So sorry to hear about your dragon! I know it is upsetting to see them when they are not feeling well.
Do you have a copy of the blood test results? I can take a look at them to see the values. If the vet feels his kidneys may be having trouble, I don't think giving metronidazole should be given to him, it is too much stress on his kidneys.
Are you giving one of the probiotics right now?
I would keep the tank around 80 overnight to help boost his immune system since he is not feeling well right now.
How many feeders does he get per week, on average?

The calcium with D3, how often do you use it? How many hours per day does he get natural sunlight?

Tracie
 

PicosParent

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Thank you Tracie!!! Everyone says you are the guru and I feel so much better having heard from you on this!!! I also appreciate all AHBD has shared!!!
I am not sure what any of this means so I will just type exactly what all the reports I have say:
Panel 3 Bloodtest This test was done on 3/20/2012-Dr. Wright said that he didn't want me to have to pay for another one right now if possible as I had to spend almost $300 for exams for both of them, fecal tests for both, x-ray on Pico and then the Rxs. My little guy had Coccidia, I had only had him two weeks and wanted an exam on him as well.Other than that, at least he got a 100% clean bill of health!

Hematology results from IDEXX Laboratory Services

TEST POSTED
BASO 1%
HCT 34.0%
HETERO 17%
LYMPHS 77%
PLASMA PRO 7.5
THROMBO Adequate
WBC CNT 6.8 Thousand
ABS BASO 68/uL
ABS HETR 1156/uL
ABS LYMPHS 5236/uL
Ascn: I1021159
RE: 3053 AZUROPHIL 5%
RE: 30530 ABSOLUTE AZUROPHIL 340/uL
RE: 3034 Remarks

Remarks: Slide Reviewed Microscopically. Increased numbers of lsed cells noted may cause erroneous differential counts. RBC Morphology appears normal. No Parasites seen.

He spends at least 3 hours in the sun on Monday, Wednesday and Friday weather permitting. On Tuesday and Thursday he gets about 6 hours and on the weekend about 8 each day.

As of June 27th (last vet visit) he weighed 614 grams up from the 612.00 grams on his appointment 2/13/12 He is close to 18 inches long. A lot of his tail is missing :( I just got him in October so I have no idea why. He had Coccida and oxyurids when I first got him and took him to the vet. He had been kept on sand with only a purple heat light at night!!!! I have of course invested hundreds of dollars to be sure he has all he needs for good health. I do lots of research on here and other sites so I am very happy to have you experts giving me direct advice!!! He is my first dragon and I can't bear to lose him!!
Thank you SO much people!!!!!!
Pam
PS: I brought him to work in a little tank on my desk today because I could not bear to leave him home. He is just sleeping and oh so scary black with his eyes hardly opening....Even though it's going to be 100 degrees today, I have a heat emmittor on him and will deal with roasting in here to keep him as comfortable as possible!!!!
 

AHBD

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Hi Pam....I'll let Tracie comment on the blood panel. As far as his size, he is certainly not underweight, so there's no worry [ immediate ] about that. You can even just feed [ if he is up to it at some point ] the live feeders just twice a week, or do slurries with bugs and veggies. Offer veggies as much as he will eat. And be sure to switch his calcium powder to the kind without D3. Hw still needs a certain amount of calcium, but he is getting enough D3 from the sun. Also, be careful that he doesn't get overheated there in a small tank. Since he's ill, it may be less stressful to be left at home [ I know you want him near you ] but the less stress he has, the better it will be for him. Hang in there !
 

PicosParent

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Thanks much! He just wants to have me hold him which of course if someone is in my office I cannot.....I don't think most visitors would be comfortable with a lizard in here!!! ;) I rearranged my desk so he is pretty well hidden but can still see me. When no one is here, I let him sleep on my lap while I work. I have a vet appointment tonight so I am going to discuss with him things you guys have brought to my attention.Thanks again!!!
 
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