Adeno negative breeders

[Katie007]

OK, so I know that there are no breeders within the US that have tested their colonies and guarantee them to be Adeno free, but I was wondering if we could have a thread the includes people who have tested their dragons and received negative results, and the breeders that they purchased from. (If this kind of thing isn't allowed, or I've posted it in the wrong section, I apologize.) I plan on purchasing a new baby in the spring ( I know, months away!), and introducing Adeno into my home is a big concern for me. I think it would be really helpful to me, and others who are also concerned, to hear where others have purchased their negative dragons.

 

[snazzyglasses]

I'm also curious! Posting so I can follow

 

[Drache613]

Hello Katie,
Yes, that would be helpful!
I do keep a list of everyone who has tested through me etc.
I have a couple of people who are now actually breeders & are wanting to test. They are inquiring on testing & will hopefully begin soon.


Tracie

 

[Katie007]

That's great!! I'm crossing my fingers that they'll have begun testing by the spring. I'd wait longer and pay more for a beardie that I know was Adeno-free.
The prospect is exciting!!

(by the way, I'll be sending Norbert's re-test in soon, I haven't had the extra money for it, but I should this week. Sorry for the delay!)

 

[XtinaBeardieMom]

I got my Captain from Texas Dragon Lab. He's only tested negative once so far though - next test will be in December. Texas Dragon Lab's website doesn't show everything they have to offer, I think they do most of their business through Facebook. I know they ship, but I was able to physically go see the breeding facility to check everything out and pick up my boy... it was awesome!!

Lotus has tested negative twice, but she's a rescue beardie so unfortunately I have no idea what breeder she came from :dontknow:

 

[Katie007]

Two negatives are fantastic, regardless!! My Norbert has only tested negative once also, and I'll be re-testing very soon. You might remember though that he's from Daichu who claim all or most beardies have Adeno, but I'm still keeping my fingers crossed that I got extremely luckily with Norbert.

Keep me updated about Texas Dragon Lab please! I'd be really interested to hear the results when you retest. I think I'll add them on Facebook too.

 

[jellybaby90]

my beardy has suspected adeno.. he's booked in to be tested next week, the breeder I got him from refused to have anything to do with me after I told them..

 

[snazzyglasses]

my beardy has suspected adeno.. he's booked in to be tested next week, the breeder I got him from refused to have anything to do with me after I told them..

That's awful!
I reallyreallyreallyreally hope your little guy doesn't have it!

 

[jellybaby90]

That's awful!
I reallyreallyreallyreally hope your little guy doesn't have it!

So do I
He was suffering from fits and was 'stargazing' for a while, he seems to of stopped now so fingers crossed it was a blip, or something else..
When I contacted the breeder he told me to stick my beardy in the freezer and 'kill it off immediately' well you can imagine how I reacted to that..
What if I had, and he never even had it at all, even if Gizmo does have it, it is not a definate death sentence, I just couldnt believe he said it!

Could you stick this in the freezer??

 

[Katie007]

WHAT?! That's the most terrible thing I've ever heard of a breeder or anyone saying. Thats awful. Even with Adeno a beardie can live a full and happy life, so I don't know why he would tell you that. If I were you I'd go over to Fauna's BOI and post a thread about that breeder. I'm literally in shock that anyone, let alone the breeder who hatched the dragon, would tell you that kind of thing.

 

[XtinaBeardieMom]

my beardy has suspected adeno.. he's booked in to be tested next week, the breeder I got him from refused to have anything to do with me after I told them..

Ugh, I can't believe a breeder reacted that way towards you (well, I can believe it - but still...ugh)!! I'm not sure how much you were quoted for testing, but Tracie (username Drache613) here can do a test through the mail by fecal swab for $16 or $18 - results come in pretty quickly, in a few days. Plus it contributes to her Adeno research project which I'm sure will benefit a lot of beardies, owners, and responsible breeders one day. You can check out her website at http://www.thepats.info/

It also sounds like your beardie could have possible symptoms of MBD (maybe instead of Adenovirus) which is very treatable. I can't see any obvious signs of MBD from your pic, but it's still possible. Have you had his bone density checked out with an X-ray? If you want to give us a rundown on his lighting set-up and supplementation schedule plus age & diet then we may be able to help you figure out if MBD is a more likely cause of your little guy's symptoms. Let us know if we can help - good luck!!

 

[XtinaBeardieMom]

Two negatives are fantastic, regardless!! My Norbert has only tested negative once also, and I'll be re-testing very soon. You might remember though that he's from Daichu who claim all or most beardies have Adeno, but I'm still keeping my fingers crossed that I got extremely luckily with Norbert.

Keep me updated about Texas Dragon Lab please! I'd be really interested to hear the results when you retest. I think I'll add them on Facebook too.

Yes I'm very lucky that my Lotus has tested negative twice, especially being a rescue beardie!! When Monster was still alive, she tested negative once and she was a rescue too. I'll let you know about Captain's second test results in December. Lotus will be getting her third test in December as well... I think the general consensus is that if a beardie tests negative three times at least three months apart then you're pretty much home free, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed! I'll probably still test annually after that though just to keep contributing to Tracie's research and try to help prove that Adenovirus isn't some magic fairy disease that pops up out of nowhere lol.

I wouldn't worry so much about Norbert (well, nevermind... of course I would if he was mine lol). Anyway, my point is that it's highly likely that even Daichu's dragons could go against the grain of their own statements. Heck, even they say "many/most", but don't go as far as to say "ALL". I was nervous at first with Texas Dragon Lab because apparently some of their dragons were bred from Daichu lines, but so far so good! Jeff Salas, the owner/breeder, was actually willing to let me test Captain before purchasing him (for both Adenovirus and parasites) which showed a lot of integrity for me. Being that you wouldn't be able to see the fecal sample made fresh in person like I did, you would just have to trust that the right sample came from the right dragon - but I'm trying to convince him to test his whole breeding colony altogether.

 

[Katie007]

I'm constantly worrying about something with Norbert lol I just took him to the vet today because I was concerned about him having an URI, and I'm still not completely satisfied that he doesn't. If Texas Dragon Lab decided to test their whole colony that would be fantastic! And hopefully it would set an example for other US breeders also.

 

[Drache613]

Hello,


Great discussion here!
I really appreciate everyone's support with the testing.
That is correct Christina, regarding the consensus on the testing results. Basically, they are not going to just start testing positive out of nowhere. They have to be exposed in some manner to have a chance of testing positive if they are true negatives.
All dragons simply do not carry the virus & not all dragons are "carriers" of the virus. That simply is not true. There are true negatives out there.
What we are still working on is how they shed & the rate in which they shed & whether or not they can permanently shed it out at all.

Tracie