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Re: Took my beardie to a specialist; left with more question

Postby claudiusx » Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:49 am

Well at least at this point you have a lot of experience with this... :lol:

Just for curiosity sake, what is your protocol for after she lays her eggs? What are you doing in regards to feeding her and supplementation?

I only ask because I remember reading a study about an egg disease, and part of the study indicated that rich nutrient dense diets encourage the females to continue producing eggs. I'll have to find the study again.

It makes sense in the wild that they would produce as much as they could, as long as nutrients and energy were readily available. And that once picking gets slim, the body would stop and start storing them back up for mom instead.

Anyways, it's just a thought but where I'm leading with this is, perhaps you are feeding her too good. It's all just theory and this wouldnt be a good test for that as by 7 clutches youd imagine she'd slow down even if her diet continued this way, but it's just a thought I had the other day. Was going to wait to see if she was still producing before bringing it up.

So how long is it taking from egg laying to the next egg laying?

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Re: Took my beardie to a specialist; left with more question

Postby lizdragon » Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:58 am

claudiusx wrote:Well at least at this point you have a lot of experience with this... :lol:

Just for curiosity sake, what is your protocol for after she lays her eggs? What are you doing in regards to feeding her and supplementation?

I only ask because I remember reading a study about an egg disease, and part of the study indicated that rich nutrient dense diets encourage the females to continue producing eggs. I'll have to find the study again.

It makes sense in the wild that they would produce as much as they could, as long as nutrients and energy were readily available. And that once picking gets slim, the body would stop and start storing them back up for mom instead.

Anyways, it's just a thought but where I'm leading with this is, perhaps you are feeding her too good. It's all just theory and this wouldnt be a good test for that as by 7 clutches youd imagine she'd slow down even if her diet continued this way, but it's just a thought I had the other day. Was going to wait to see if she was still producing before bringing it up.

So how long is it taking from egg laying to the next egg laying?

-Brandon


Nowadays when she is gravid she is still eating, which is good, but her appetite decreases when it comes to her greens. She will still eat her normal amount of bugs when gravid. So for the last few batches it's not like she has gone two weeks without eating like she did with her first batch. After she lays, we give her lots of greens (she likes Collards the most) which she will now eat after laying. As for bugs, I feed her dubia roaches mainly and sometimes superworms. The vet I take her to (who I was told is the best exotics vet in NYC) told me to not dust her food with calcium anymore, but to give her bugs gut loaded food instead.

Do you have any suggestions for different food I should be giving her? I'm totally open to them. She's a bit picky with certain things, like she will only eat greens (no fruit or squash, or anything like that).

Her last few clutches have been about 3 weeks apart I believe.
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Re: Took my beardie to a specialist; left with more question

Postby lizdragon » Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:59 am

And thank you so much for thinking of Liz! I'm so happy I have this forum so I can get advice from all you experts :D
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Re: Took my beardie to a specialist; left with more question

Postby AHBD » Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:26 pm

Wow, clutch # 7 did you say ? She is a machine ! I disagree with the advice to stop calcium. We don't even stop calcium dusting with non laying dragons. It's good to gut load the insects, that's for sure but a light calcium dusting at least 2-3 X a week is what I would recommend. Think of how much calcium it takes out of her body to form well over 150 or more eggs.
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Re: Took my beardie to a specialist; left with more question

Postby lizdragon » Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:29 pm

AHBD wrote:Wow, clutch # 7 did you say ? She is a machine ! I disagree with the advice to stop calcium. We don't even stop calcium dusting with non laying dragons. It's good to gut load the insects, that's for sure but a light calcium dusting at least 2-3 X a week is what I would recommend. Think of how much calcium it takes out of her body to form well over 150 or more eggs.


Yeah to be honest, I thought that was odd advice too. I even called the vet and double checked after she laid her second clutch that that's what they wanted me to do. So honestly after she lays I do dust her food a bit. But after a few days have passed since laying, I stop dusting. Maybe I should continue dusting? Not sure if that would change anything with the egg situation but maybe I just should do it in general.
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Re: Took my beardie to a specialist; left with more question

Postby Drache613 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:30 pm

Hello,

Wow, Liz is really laying a lot of eggs....poor girl!
I agree, definitely don't discontinue the calcium because egg development really zaps the
calcium stores absolutely.
I hope that she is doing well regardless of all of her laying. Is she eating much right now?
Post some pictures of her when you get a chance also.

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Re: Took my beardie to a specialist; left with more question

Postby lizdragon » Mon Sep 23, 2019 5:58 am

Drache613 wrote:Hello,

Wow, Liz is really laying a lot of eggs....poor girl!
I agree, definitely don't discontinue the calcium because egg development really zaps the
calcium stores absolutely.
I hope that she is doing well regardless of all of her laying. Is she eating much right now?
Post some pictures of her when you get a chance also.

Tracie


Sorry for the late response! She is doing okay. Eating her greens and dubia roaches until we ran out (more are coming soon, but we're buying her superworms today to supplement her with that). The only thing I'm a bit concerned about is that she has not pooped since laying eggs last Monday, one week ago. She usually poops about every other day. This morning she was crawling around looking like she was trying to poop, but couldn't. She has gone longer than this in the past without pooping (back when she was living with my family), but I really hope she isn't impacted.

Here are two pics I took last Monday after she had just laid her most recent batch. She's skinnier than usual in them and always has more trouble getting around (probably from lack of calcium). She looks and moves around a lot better now that it's been a week.

https://imgur.com/a/coT76mO
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Re: Took my beardie to a specialist; left with more question

Postby AHBD » Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:06 am

Aw, what a cute face ! She does look thin but also alert which is good. :) Definitely keep up with the insect feedings and lots of greens, freshly washed + wet down. You can also give her some sweet potato + squash, microwave until soft + mushy and add a few drops of olive oil + water. That or applesauce can help her to poo.
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Re: Took my beardie to a specialist; left with more question

Postby moosix » Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:55 pm

Dubia would be a great insect to switch too. Personally I use supers as a staple feeder for my adults, but they can be harder to digest than other insects. When a dragon isnt pooing regularly it's a good idea to stop with the tougher insects and switch to something easier. Dubias, silkworms, hornworms, butterworms, and BSFL are all great options you can try too.
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Re: Took my beardie to a specialist; left with more question

Postby lizdragon » Wed Oct 02, 2019 7:07 am

AHBD wrote:Aw, what a cute face ! She does look thin but also alert which is good. :) Definitely keep up with the insect feedings and lots of greens, freshly washed + wet down. You can also give her some sweet potato + squash, microwave until soft + mushy and add a few drops of olive oil + water. That or applesauce can help her to poo.


Thank you! You know, I have tried giving her sweet potato and squash before but she always refuses to eat it. She's a picky eater! I did give her some drops of olive oil with her greens and she eventually pooped a few days ago. She seems like she sort of needs to go again; she's been walking around lifting her tail up and I think she's trying to push. I'm not sure why she is having trouble all of a sudden. This hasn't really been an issue for about a year (which is when she moved in with me). I might try applesauce if it continues to be a problem.
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Re: Took my beardie to a specialist; left with more question

Postby lizdragon » Wed Oct 02, 2019 7:08 am

moosix wrote:Dubia would be a great insect to switch too. Personally I use supers as a staple feeder for my adults, but they can be harder to digest than other insects. When a dragon isnt pooing regularly it's a good idea to stop with the tougher insects and switch to something easier. Dubias, silkworms, hornworms, butterworms, and BSFL are all great options you can try too.


Yes, she mostly eats dubias but we give her superworms once we've run out and are waiting for more to arrive. The only problem is that it gets pretty expensive to constantly order dubia roaches, what with shipping and everything. I know it's possible to breed them, but we live in such a small place we really have no room to do that unfortunately.
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