URGENT VERY ILL DRAGON

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Re: URGENT VERY ILL DRAGON

Postby AHBD » Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:56 am

That's great that he drinks the slurry, flushing his system is really important. I think he had enough charcoal but see what Tracie says later when she's on.
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Re: URGENT VERY ILL DRAGON

Postby Kchacon54 » Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:33 am

Thank you AHBD Do you know how often I should give him this green slurry?
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Re: URGENT VERY ILL DRAGON

Postby AHBD » Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:37 am

I'd say 2-3 X a day, making sure there's a good amount of water in it. Of course you don't want to force it if he clamps his mouth shut.
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Re: URGENT VERY ILL DRAGON

Postby Drache613 » Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:24 am

Hello,

That is terrific news he did take some of the greens slurry. How is his beard looking today?
You can continue to give charcoal but just once daily as the greens slurry should help to
detoxify his system naturally.
Give him the greens slurry twice daily. Is he interested in insects right now?
There isn't much else that you can give. You could consider some diluted cranberry juice
a couple of times daily to help the kidneys out.

Keep him a little warmer during the night, as well to help boost his immune system right now.
Let us know how he is doing.

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Re: URGENT VERY ILL DRAGON

Postby Kchacon54 » Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:34 am

Hi Tracie
Thank you for your reply. Today his beard is less black and more gray but it appears to be more swollen and harder on the left side of his beard. We were able to syringe feed him some Lugarti premium insectivore gel diet. I will make sure to turn on his CHE at night. I will attach a photo of his beard so that you can see it. Does it matter if we give him the charcoal or the green slurry first? Should we give him the charcoal first? Thank you again.
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Re: URGENT VERY ILL DRAGON

Postby Kchacon54 » Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:43 am

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Here is an updated picture of his beard today 4/23. The left side is larger and harder to palpate on his beard compared to the right side. You can also see the bump on top of his head.
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Re: URGENT VERY ILL DRAGON

Postby Kchacon54 » Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:48 pm

Hi all this is URGENT the vet says he is bleeding internally. The vet is wanting to inject him with vitamin K. Do you guys think that this would be okay to inject him? Is there any side effects to a vitamin K injection?
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Re: URGENT VERY ILL DRAGON

Postby Kchacon54 » Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:49 pm

This vet has 30 years experience
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Re: URGENT VERY ILL DRAGON

Postby Kchacon54 » Fri Apr 23, 2021 3:32 pm

The vet is saying that my beardie has hepatic lipidosis (fatty liver) She is saying that he is bleeding internally and what he has in his swollen beard is blood and the bump on his head is most likely blood. She does not want to poke him. She wanted to inject him with vitamin K (fat soluble vitamin) so we said no and she said she can provide us with oral vitamin K. Vet also gave us milk thistle and another med to help him poop. Do you guys know if vitamin K can stop internal bleeding? I am not finding anything about this online. She said that she feels he will be able to survive it will just take time to reverse the fatty liver. She also said to give him the critical care. We are going to continue the green slurry and start the milk thistle and oral vitamin K. Do you guys think the vitamin K is helpful to stop the bleeding? Thank you.
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Re: URGENT VERY ILL DRAGON

Postby Kchacon54 » Fri Apr 23, 2021 3:33 pm

AHBD wrote:I'd say 2-3 X a day, making sure there's a good amount of water in it. Of course you don't want to force it if he clamps his mouth shut.


The vet is saying that my beardie has hepatic lipidosis (fatty liver) She is saying that he is bleeding internally and what he has in his swollen beard is blood and the bump on his head is most likely blood. She does not want to poke him. She wanted to inject him with vitamin K (fat soluble vitamin) so we said no and she said she can provide us with oral vitamin K. Vet also gave us milk thistle and another med to help him poop. Do you know if vitamin K can stop internal bleeding? I am not finding anything about this online. She said that she feels he will be able to survive it will just take time to reverse the fatty liver. She also said to give him the critical care. We are going to continue the green slurry and start the milk thistle and oral vitamin K. Do you think the vitamin K is helpful to stop the bleeding? Thank you.
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Re: URGENT VERY ILL DRAGON

Postby Kchacon54 » Fri Apr 23, 2021 3:34 pm

Drache613 wrote:Hello,

That is terrific news he did take some of the greens slurry. How is his beard looking today?
You can continue to give charcoal but just once daily as the greens slurry should help to
detoxify his system naturally.
Give him the greens slurry twice daily. Is he interested in insects right now?
There isn't much else that you can give. You could consider some diluted cranberry juice
a couple of times daily to help the kidneys out.

Keep him a little warmer during the night, as well to help boost his immune system right now.
Let us know how he is doing.

Tracie


Tracie the vet is saying that my beardie has hepatic lipidosis (fatty liver) She is saying that he is bleeding internally and what he has in his swollen beard is blood and the bump on his head is most likely blood. She does not want to poke him. She wanted to inject him with vitamin K (fat soluble vitamin) so we said no and she said she can provide us with oral vitamin K. Vet also gave us milk thistle and another med to help him poop. Do you know if vitamin K can stop internal bleeding? I am not finding anything about this online. She said that she feels he will be able to survive it will just take time to reverse the fatty liver. She also said to give him the critical care. We are going to continue the green slurry and start the milk thistle and oral vitamin K. Do you think the vitamin K is helpful to stop the bleeding? Thank you.
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Re: URGENT VERY ILL DRAGON

Postby AHBD » Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:53 pm

Is this a new vet ? Sorry if I missed it. I can tell you that even reptile vets that work with zoos misdiagnose bearded dragon problems so I wouldn't put much stock in credentials. I've seen several " highly recommended vets " that could not even sex an adult dragon, both times females, 1 actually laid eggs the day after the vet told the owner the dragon was not gravid [ pregnant ]. Anyway, there have been MANY cases here where beardies were diagnosed with fatty liver, I never remember internal bleeding that caused swollen beard or lump to appear on the head. I'd say no the shot but you'll have to decide for yourself. Has your dragon poo'd lately, if so was there blood in it ?
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Re: URGENT VERY ILL DRAGON

Postby Kchacon54 » Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:25 pm

This is the vet that gave him the vitamin injections. The vet who diagnosed him with a mass doesn’t know what he’s doing. What you’re saying make sense he pooped Wednesday (2 days ago) there was no blood. It was a large poop and for the first time his urate was bright yellow and hard. We said no to the injection of vitamin K do you think we should give him the oral vitamin K? She said that this vitamin K would stop the bleeding. From these pictures what do you think that we should do? What do you think could be wrong with him? We are at a loss. We’ve been giving him the green slurry he eats it well and he’s a bit more active (Not so limp). His mouth is still white.
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Re: URGENT VERY ILL DRAGON

Postby AHBD » Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:41 pm

I don't think vit. K will do anything but wait to see what Tracie says. Beardies with fatty liver don't usually have any of the symptoms that your dragon has. Just keep up with the slurries that contain a lot of water. It takes time to flush the system out.
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Re: URGENT VERY ILL DRAGON

Postby Kchacon54 » Fri Apr 23, 2021 7:32 pm

Ok thank you. Should I continue to give him food? I’ve been giving the lugarti insectivore gel diet in a syringe. Thank you I really appreciate all of the advice and help you have given me. Or should I give him critical care omnivore?
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