keschete":16xxeusx said:I would call 1,2 and 3 all Normal Phase/Red dragons and the last a Normal phase Orange/Citrus. But this also depends on lighting and wheather or not the dragon is cold or warm, because it changes color slightly.
Diablo, my Hypomelanistic is what I would consider to be orange and I would say that most Red dragons I have seen are normal phase, thus the darker/redder pigment, whereas hypos tend to fall more in the orange or citrus category because they have less pigment. I hope this makes sense. There are no hard and fast rules about this because color can be a very subjective thing.
I would say Diablo is definitely orange.
spyder79":322lccve said:As I see it (oh and the pictures are a direct representations of these dragons normal coloring no lighting tricks or photo adjustments have been done or used) Dragon 1 (a baby I just hatched recently) is orange, dragon 2 (future breeder female) is orange, dragon 3 (future female breeder) is a red, and dragon 4(current breeder) is more of a pastel orange.
keschete":2ririha8 said:spyder79":2ririha8 said:As I see it (oh and the pictures are a direct representations of these dragons normal coloring no lighting tricks or photo adjustments have been done or used) Dragon 1 (a baby I just hatched recently) is orange, dragon 2 (future breeder female) is orange, dragon 3 (future female breeder) is a red, and dragon 4(current breeder) is more of a pastel orange.
I didn't want you to think I was saying your pictures were "enhanced" because I know you wouldn't do that. I just meant that, personally I can take 5 different pictures of Diablo and the orange may show up darker or lighter depending on his mood and the lighting. And Ash sometimes looks a horrid shade of gray and sometimes all white.
I guess I tend to think of a red dragon as a dark orange. So it is hard, when color is so subjective. I think of the oranges as more the lighter or pastel. At least I got 2 out of 4 right. I still thank that baby of yours is going to end up darker than what you expect. I think your little baby is going to be gorgeous and we need to see pictures of him as he gets bigger.
spyder79":33r0sel1 said:
Question for you. Would you label this as a orange dragon?
He is a Hypo Orange Glow/tangerine line. But as I see it he is not a orange dragon as he only has that small amount of orange on his face. but that is only my opinion (i love him either way lmao)
Hehehe, maybe we should start a American Bearded Dragon Breeders Association and charge for registering beardies and bloodlines! Hehehehe
spyder79":18nzof0g said:Hehehe, maybe we should start a American Bearded Dragon Breeders Association and charge for registering beardies and bloodlines! Hehehehe
Lol there have been a few discussion about this in the past. Problem is 2 breeders can take the same line and name it 2 completely different things. And i can promise most breeders would not be willing to go from calling their breeder a Chris Allen Red to calling it a Red Phase lol. Not as "sexy" lmao.
I have those same thoughts.Color has become far too subjective in this hobby. Just because something is from a certain bloodline does not mean it will be that color. Though breeders do "market" them as such. I also feel the industry standard for "red" has become very muddied due to breeders just labeling dragons as red (because a red dragon sales much faster than a orange).
fresnowitte":3ip7pxp9 said:I have those same thoughts.Color has become far too subjective in this hobby. Just because something is from a certain bloodline does not mean it will be that color. Though breeders do "market" them as such. I also feel the industry standard for "red" has become very muddied due to breeders just labeling dragons as red (because a red dragon sales much faster than a orange).
Question what is the right thing to do?
Say you have proven red parents and several of the babies come out not red....how would you label those babies?
Bloodlines, color, with a disclaimer...etc? :roll: What would be proper?
Okay, my two cents. The baby, #1, while showing some red tones, could go either way. It is orange on the back, red on the sides, my guess, orange. 2 is more orange than red overall, (head and tail) but with the intensity of the red on the body, I'd incline to call it red. #3, out and out RED! :laughhard: I don't see that anyone can argue orange here. 4, Orange! Again, I don't see a way to argue for red.
The other two, Pastel Citrus types.
Okay just checkin' that's what I am doing, good to know I'm on the right page.Well what I do and will continue to do is state the bloodlines of the parents and show photos of the parents. Then show a photo of the baby and state what color the baby is displaying at that time. I have a disclaimer I use stating that the color of a dragon can and does tend to change over time and there is no way to guarantee the color.
That is all you can do.
fresnowitte":2ik7h9c8 said:Okay just checkin' that's what I am doing, good to know I'm on the right page.Well what I do and will continue to do is state the bloodlines of the parents and show photos of the parents. Then show a photo of the baby and state what color the baby is displaying at that time. I have a disclaimer I use stating that the color of a dragon can and does tend to change over time and there is no way to guarantee the color.
That is all you can do.
I notice alot of forsale threads by big breeders and they rarely post pic's of parents, prior siblings, or age of said babies.
Which always leads to believe that it's not confirm-able or something is being left out/fishy.
fresnowitte":y2g93463 said:Okay just checkin' that's what I am doing, good to know I'm on the right page.Well what I do and will continue to do is state the bloodlines of the parents and show photos of the parents. Then show a photo of the baby and state what color the baby is displaying at that time. I have a disclaimer I use stating that the color of a dragon can and does tend to change over time and there is no way to guarantee the color.
That is all you can do.
I notice alot of forsale threads by big breeders and they rarely post pic's of parents, prior siblings, or age of said babies.
Which always leads to believe that it's not confirm-able or something is being left out/fishy.
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