Dogs were once wild, they had to fend for themselves, and there are many reports from centuries ago about wild dogs killing people. Now if a dog is in that situation it's concidered animal cruelty. Should the selling of dogs be illegal because we are not giving them their natural environment and letting them fend for themselves?if no then i don't see how there is a valuable agument on why the selling of beardies should be kept legal. even though i and many of you love your beardies so much.
companies don't sell peanut butter especially for dogs, while companies sell "bad products for beardies" honestly reptiglo apparently bad because it irritates the eyes yet they are still sold, compact bulbs do something bad also but still sold, calci sand is sold and is a cause of impaction and all these are sold by companies for the use of reptiles, yet many people will go blindly buying these products often recomended by shops unknowingly knowing about the "causes"GoFast":6021a said:so because you shouldn't use sand, selling a bearded dragon should be illegal? With all due respect, that is the most ridiculous statement ever. that would be like me saying dogs shouldn't eat peanut butter so selling them should be illegal :dontknow:
RobotRooster":746dc said:companies don't sell peanut butter especially for dogs, while companies sell "bad products for beardies" honestly reptiglo apparently bad because it irritates the eyes yet they are still sold, compact bulbs do something bad also but still sold, calci sand is sold and is a cause of impaction and all these are sold by companies for the use of reptiles, yet many people will go blindly buying these products often recomended by shops unknowingly knowing about the "causes"GoFast":746dc said:so because you shouldn't use sand, selling a bearded dragon should be illegal? With all due respect, that is the most ridiculous statement ever. that would be like me saying dogs shouldn't eat peanut butter so selling them should be illegal :dontknow:
xbluex":f3001 said:Dogs were once wild, they had to fend for themselves, and there are many reports from centuries ago about wild dogs killing people. Now if a dog is in that situation it's concidered animal cruelty. Should the selling of dogs be illegal because we are not giving them their natural environment and letting them fend for themselves?if no then i don't see how there is a valuable agument on why the selling of beardies should be kept legal. even though i and many of you love your beardies so much.
Another thing to concider is the fact that beardies in the wild don't live on the type of sand we have for them. From what I've been told by members here and on other sites that live in or by beardies natural environments, there is very little loose sand on the ground, it is all hard compacted clay type dirt, while the sand most people use is loose play sand. Therefore tiles are really the closest thing to being natural for them. I keep mine on sand because they seem to like it more, they all like to dig and make little holes in the sand for their bellies to rest in, I dont feed inside the enclosure and I don't keep water inside either so that minimizes the risk.
everything on the shelf is considered bad for beardies, and many people who do research ask the shopkeeperTheresa20":b8f95 said:RobotRooster":b8f95 said:companies don't sell peanut butter especially for dogs, while companies sell "bad products for beardies" honestly reptiglo apparently bad because it irritates the eyes yet they are still sold, compact bulbs do something bad also but still sold, calci sand is sold and is a cause of impaction and all these are sold by companies for the use of reptiles, yet many people will go blindly buying these products often recomended by shops unknowingly knowing about the "causes"GoFast":b8f95 said:so because you shouldn't use sand, selling a bearded dragon should be illegal? With all due respect, that is the most ridiculous statement ever. that would be like me saying dogs shouldn't eat peanut butter so selling them should be illegal :dontknow:
This is why it is important for owners to do their research before buying a pet. Just because it's on the shelf doesn't mean you have to buy it.
everything on the shelf is considered bad for beardies, and many people who do research ask the shopkeeper
Theresa20":c551c said:everything on the shelf is considered bad for beardies, and many people who do research ask the shopkeeper
That's simply not true. There are many items that you can purchase at pet stores that are completely safe for your dragons. And not everyone is an *****. Look at all the people who are on this site trying to find the correct care information for their pets? I think this argument is getting pretty silly.
don't apologize in some case at the start i think iwas looking for an argument because i was annoyed but since i calmed down im not quite sure why i started like i did, but thanks anyway,Theresa20":79b43 said:In that case, I apologize! Hopefully you can find what you are looking for. Good luck in your search.
BarkAtTheMoon":f8e3a said:My, My, My. Hope you have a good cardiologist. Do you let everything get you so upset? Take a deep, cleansing breath. Count to ten. Now then. First, try to realize that loose sand is not natural for Inland Bearded Dragons, which is what most of us have and I assume you have. Pet stores have a "reptile aisle" and most manufacturers don't differentiate between all the different reptiles because they don't want to lose a sale. If a consumer is willing to buy a loose sand intended for a desert reptile and put their eucalyptus forest reptile on it, well, so be it. You can't sue them for an unhappy beardie.
What you do with your viv is up to you. Don't get upset about it. But don't do your beardie a disservice either. And don't query "Bearded Dragon habitat" on the net cause most of what you get is crap. It's no wonder the Aussie's are so protective. We're not worthy yet. Use query terms that will get you real information about where beardies live in Australia. You'll be surprised at what you find. They are not desert reptiles. Arid does not necessarily mean desert. It simply means low moisture, or low humidity. Their primary habitat is the eucalyptus forest. You want to talk about getting upset? You want to talk about natural? Nothing is sadder than all the beardies being kept in enclosures with no branches to climb and no where to go, and nothing to do but lie on the ground. This is not natural. Given a choice, you won't catch a healthy, happy dragon on the "ground" unless it's hungry and on the hunt. This is how I know mine are hungry. Their instincts tell them it's too risky to just hang out there and/or sleep there. In the wild, it could get them killed by a predator.
If you're really a natural freak, then forget the sand. Think forest. A natural basking rock. It keeps the nails trimmed naturally, it holds heat (check it with a temp gun to make sure it doesn't hold it too well), and they like the feel of it. A couple of large branches that will hold his weight even when he's as big as he'll get. A couple of plastic plants to hang in the back. I made and mounted a platform on the end of one of my branches out of a smaller, pliable branch and hid it in the plant and my beardie sleeps on it. He feels hidden, safe, and secure.
Do some real research. Make a difference in a beardie's life. Be part of the solution. He'll love you for it.
Jessie
RobotRooster":2da89 said:companies don't sell peanut butter especially for dogs, while companies sell "bad products for beardies" honestly reptiglo apparently bad because it irritates the eyes yet they are still sold, compact bulbs do something bad also but still sold, calci sand is sold and is a cause of impaction and all these are sold by companies for the use of reptiles, yet many people will go blindly buying these products often recomended by shops unknowingly knowing about the "causes"GoFast":2da89 said:so because you shouldn't use sand, selling a bearded dragon should be illegal? With all due respect, that is the most ridiculous statement ever. that would be like me saying dogs shouldn't eat peanut butter so selling them should be illegal :dontknow:
for a dog it would be the quivelent of giving a dog a staple diet of dairy milk recomend by a shopkeep, which is very harmful.
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