Yes, I understand. You need to have a reasonable instinct so as not to overfeed and not leave hungryYou can definitely use medium dubia regularly and even a large now + then . There are no super set in stone rules but common sense suggestions for safe care also includes feeding methods. Even the number of insects is flexible but not to go to the severely restricted diet where they only feed a baby 4-5 insects every other day.
I only give Zen the dubias a couple times in a 10 day period, he does have a thick tail but his legs are decently muscular. He can haul azz when he wants to (it usually involves seeing one of the girls lol) I offer him hornworms daily. Some days he eats them some he don't. He is almost impossible to get water into even with the eyedropper and fruit punch so I give him hornworms for hydration. He has gotten WAY better with his greens lately so I'll probably trim the hornworms back some.Yeah, big dragons can eat big bugs for sure. The warning still stands about over feeding them with more than they need as they develop super thick tails + legs and constantly bulging bellies. That's not a sign of a healthy beardie.
Does Zen eat any other bugs besides dubia and how often?I only give Zen the dubias a couple times in a 10 day period, he does have a thick tail but his legs are decently muscular. He can haul azz when he wants to (it usually involves seeing one of the girls lol) I offer him hornworms daily. Some days he eats them some he don't. He is almost impossible to get water into even with the eyedropper and fruit punch so I give him hornworms for hydration. He has gotten WAY better with his greens lately so I'll probably trim the hornworms back some.
They vet continually tells me he is not obese and I dont want him to be so I don't offer dubias to often and never more than 2 jumbos or 4 to 5 large. (The large from the stores here are the size of mediums everywhere else)
Yeah, he loves hornworms and silkworms and he will do back flips and stand on his head for a grasshopper lol.Does Zen eat any other bugs besides dubia and how often?
VIDEO PLEASE!!!Yeah, he loves hornworms and silkworms and he will do back flips and stand on his head for a grasshopper lol.
Unfortunately the grasshoppers population is pretty much gone for the year now. Even when they are here, I have drive miles out in the desert away from civilization to collect them. I don't want to run the risk of pesticides. I usually bring back 50ish, they would be gone in 1 day if I let them eat all they wanted lol.VIDEO PLEASE!!!
Very well said. Personally I didn't watch the docs video. I was more mad at the secondary guy that is spreading bad info. I know he means well, but that doesn't change the fact he is wrong.I haven't had a chance to watch the video in the OP but I did watch the 4 hour video that I believe they are pulling the info from.
One of the take aways was while "bearded vet" recommended smaller feeding portions he made a point to caveat most of his concerns like calcium deficiency as not being applicable *if* the overall nutrition was correct.
His point was if you are having to add supplements to the diet like we do for Dragons the quicker the animal is growing the more important it is to make sure those ratios are correct.
A dragon growing an inch in 2 weeks is less likely to develop MBD symptoms during that time than one that grew 4 inches as it's not having to utilize nearly as much calcium for slow growth.
It seems odd to me to flip the entire feeding paradigm on it's head and say this is *the way* to feed a Bearded Dragon when the Dragons being fed this way haven't had time to live thier lives and compare health outcomes against what has been done previously.
I'm really tired of hearing the term "naturalistic" from supposed representatives of the scientific community. Just because an animal experiences certain conditions in the wild absolutely does not mean that's the ideal environment for that animal.
The same people who tell you natural is always better will handwave away the fact Dragon's live longer in captivity by telling you that's because of predation. Where is the data supporting that? Who is going around documenting every wild bearded dragon death and attributing the vast majority to predation as opposed to starvation, disease or any number of other causes.
Overall I was very disappointed in the lack of data, though again I only saw the original interview not the video linked here.
I think that... If this *secondary guy* was placed in the wild, he would weigh 2 times less. It turns out he eats too much. Maybe he should go on a diet himself?Very well said. Personally I didn't watch the docs video. I was more mad at the secondary guy that is spreading bad info. I know he means well, but that doesn't change the fact he is wrong.
You touched on a point I was making also. Until they follow every beardie birth to death, WE spend more time observing them than they do. We might not all be doctors but I guarantee we take more interest in there well being than some scientists.
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