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My friend has a 3 year old BRIGHT Yellow and a little bit of orange Leatherback And her name is Lemon which i was shocked of how she got that vibrate Yellow bearded dragon since its hard noe these days to get that bright colorI've seen some nice yellows but it would be if they were more 'vibrant'.
Like the 'Red Monsters' that are going around.
I've seen some nice yellows but it would be if they were more 'vibrant'.
Like the 'Red Monsters' that are going around.
Makes total sense and to be honest, I’m conflicted, but largely the way I view it, any deviation from their natural evolved state (genetically) represents a genetic deformation.Hello, this is an interesting subject for sure but probably not many concrete answers since specialty reptile medicine doesn't seem to be too far advanced.
First off my question to you is when you say "what I perceive to be genetic issues (most people see them as morphs), then which morphs do you mean , and do you feel the morphs themselves are produced through a genetic flaw and seen as a negative health issue ? Sorry if that's confusing but hopefully you get what I mean.
As far as wondering how diverse the gene pool is for beardie's , that's a good question. Back in the day there were breeders that put out huge quantities of dragons, probably Pete Weiss, Bob Mailloux [ sandfire dragon ranch ] , Rick Millspaugh, Kevin Dunne [ Dragon's Den, creator of the " Dunner "morph ] Then there was Tammy Aldrich from Dragon Tails [ famous for the bold colored citrus tiger and other high color dragons ] and the Dachiu's who still breed to this day. Some of those breeders also traveled to or had dragons shipped from other countries so they no doubt brought the most diversity in to their bloodlines as possible.
As far as the most common and serious health problem [ aside from MBD which is usually related to husbandry issues like lack of proper lighting + calcium intake ] there seems to be an alarming number of dragons that develop gastric neuroendocrine carcinoma and many of us scratch our heads as to what could be causing this fatal disease. Then there's yellow fungus disease which may at times seem to pop out of nowhere, whether the dragon is kept in good conditions or not. Those are just a couple of serious problems that come to mind.
The morphs that seemed to cause the most trouble when they first came out were transluscent [ trans ] and Witblits. Breeding trans to trans produced weak , sickly babies and the Witblits were reportedly very weak and didn't live long. That's why breeders would then keep the few healthy ones and cross them with a different morph, normal phase, etc. Those mutations would never gotten a foothold in the wild and would have died or been eaten quickly as babies in their weak condition. So you wouldn't find them in the wild, these were totally man made.Makes total sense and to be honest, I’m conflicted, but largely the way I view it, any deviation from their natural evolved state (genetically) represents a genetic deformation.
I’m mainly referring to silkbacks, leather backs, etc. they have evolved genetically to have scales.
In terms of health, gastric neuroendocrine carcinoma is what I’ve been seeing a lot of. I watched the beardievet interview and I tend to agree with his theory but until it’s studied more (which may never happen) it’s pure theory.
I remember talking to many of those people you mentioned back in the day about their efforts to strengthen and diversify the gene pool but after seeing the current breeding landscape and doing some research on modern day breeders it seems that largely the attitude has changed. Back then I feel that people were breeding for the “right” reasons (love of the hobby, stronger (genetically or otherwise) animals, and ultimately passion for bearded dragons)… I’m afraid the majority of the driving intention today is money and people almost seem to value these morphs, which is ultimately what led me to ask for this feedback.
I appreciate the responses
YupBrights colors are mostly accomplished by having the hypo, trans, or both genes. Hypo is a reduced dark pigment, and trans is an absence of white pigment. Both mutations make the other colors pop.
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