Doesn't seem to be well lately

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xcourtney3

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I got my bearded dragon (Abe) almost one month ago. (It'll be one month on the first.) I don't know the gender or the age, but I assume he (It's easier to just say "he".) is probably maybe two months old or somewhere in the area. He is about six inches long. I don't know how much he weighs, but probably not very much because he seems very small. He's in a 20 gallon tank with a Reptisun 10 UVB bulb. I have him on paper towels right now since he's so small and I know other substrates are dangerous for him. I feed him small crickets dusted with calcium powder. He doesn't eat the pellets you can get from pet stores. Currently, the only greens I offer him are tiny pieces of kale that I keep misted with water, but he doesn't touch it. I handle him daily, he absolutely loves being able to climb on my shoulder or sit on my hand.

Wednesday night, Abe was acting kind of strangely before his bedtime. He was very lazy and he slept in an odd place. (By "odd", I mean unusual because he usually sleeps on the other side of the tank partially hidden under the paper towel. This probably seems like an insignificant observation but it struck me as very odd and made me feel nervous.) Thursday morning, he wasn't awake yet when I turned his daytime lights on. This is also strange because he usually is already on his rock waiting for me. All day he never got on his rock and just laid there. He kept his head very low. I decided maybe he was just grumpy and wanted some attention. I got him out and he started acting very strangely. His head started moving quickly back and forth and he was running in circles. He had trouble walking and seemed to lean to one side. He appeared to be blind, running into things. He also wasn't eating and had not gone to the bathroom. I knew there was something very wrong and immediately took him to the vet. The vet's diagnosis was neurological problems and set gave me some liquid calcium to try in hopes that it was just a calcium problem and nothing more severe (like a virus). I got him home and gave him a drop of the calcium. He could not eat crickets because he could only run in circles and tremble. I managed to get him to lick some baby food from my fingers. Then, he preceded to have horrible "seizures" on and off for the next hour. I don't know if they were seizures, but he was basically flipping like a fish out of water. When it stopped, he was very tired but he was able to eat a little more baby food. Afterwards, I stayed up all night watching him as he slept. He did use the bathroom twice this day. Once on the way to the vet and again during the seizures.

Friday, he was surprisingly excellent. I immediately replaced his UVB with the Reptisun and gave him another drop of calcium. I also took him outside for a while to get some sunlight. He ate a few crickets but not a lot. He had no signs of spasms or twitches or anything of the such and seemed great and active.

Saturday, he had no twitches or spasms but he started opening his mouth a little. There seems to be a tiny little popping sound when he opens his mouth. He also puffs his throat a little when he does this. He did not eat but did go to the bathroom twice.

He isn't constipated and doesn't have diarrhea. He shed probably around the 16th. He had been eye bulging last week (Wednesday and Thursday). Also, the vet has told me not to use the powder calcium supplement while I am using the liquid calcium medication.

I'm sorry this is long but I'm trying to provide as much information as I can think of. Is there anything you can see that may be a sign of something being wrong? Is there anything I can do to help him? Any information is appreciated. Also, any general tips to keep him healthy and happy are also welcome. He's my baby and I'm very worried about him!

Thanks :)
 

zebraflavencs

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Courtney, it certainly seems everything is as it should be, but humor me for a bit.
Could you tell us what all the temps are in the 20l and how you are measuring them ?
How far away from the Sun can your baby get ?
Other than the liquid calcium what other supplements/vitamins are you offering, and when do you offer those?

Here is a wonderful site to choose foods for a healthy dragon:
http://www.beautifuldragons.503xtreme.com/Nutrition.html
Kale actually will drain the calcium so you may want to change that out.

Just give baby some time, you got the right tube, and the right supplement for the emergency.

Hope this helps out !
Janie.
 

spurlee01

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Is everything you feed him smaller than the space between his eyes? I've heard of beardies have some similiar problems from too big of feeders.
Sara
 

sara24354

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You mentioned a popping sound when he opens his mouth,could he have a respiratory infection? How often do you hear the popping sound? Is it when he breathes? If you are hearing the popping sound when he breathes,please contact your vet to ask about it and if there is a chance he could have a respiratory infection. Please keep us updated.
 

beardie parents

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From what Tracie says, your vet is correct in not giving the powdered calcium when you are giving him the liquid calcium as giving him too much calcium causes as many problems that not enough calcium does. I do have a question about your uvb. I do remember reading that you are using a reptisun 10. This is a good bulb and we've had good results from it. However, I read down aways that you had replaced the uvb with the reptisun 10 on Saturday. What uvb were you using before you changed to the reptisun 10?
 

xcourtney3

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I ordered Herptivite multivitamins today and they should be here soon. How often do I need to give him this?
The popping sound was only sometimes when he opened him mouth. Today he seems to have stopped doing this and is better but still isn't eating much.
Before the Reptisun, I had a Zilla desert series compact. I read some negative things about this bulb and had it replaced.
 

beardie parents

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O.K. Thanks for answering that question. That is part of your problem, he wasn't getting enough good uvb. Just to make sure, tho. You didn't get another compact, correct? The best reptisun 10 is the long fluorescent tube. The reptisun compacts aren't any better than the zilla bulb you had before.
 

xcourtney3

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The reptisun I have is the long fluorescent tube. I have also been trying to take him outside when I can. It's very hot and sunny here.
 

xcourtney3

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well today tuesday he started having diarrhea again and star gazing again. He also didnt eat yesterday and today. what should i do...
 

Drache613

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Hello,

That is correct. It is not a good idea to give powdered calcium in combination with the liquid calcium.
How much liquid calcium are you giving, any particular dosage? If you want to give me your girl's weight, I can give you the proper dose for him.
How close is the Reptisun 10 flourescent tube bulb? It should be 6-8 inches from him directly beside the basking light.
Has he had anymore seizures today?
Did you get a fecal done on him when you took him to the vet?
It could possibly be a respiratory infection based on your description of the popping noises. Try to keep him a little warmer at night too in order to help boost the immune system.
Let us know what your temperatures are & what type of thermometer you use to measure them with.
How long did you use the Zilla compact/coil light previously & how close was it to him?
Since you were using that, it is possible he has had negative effects from it. I think that you should turn off the Reptisun 10 for a few days to at least a week to allow him to recover from the low wavelength UVB light he has been subjected to.

Tracie
 
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