Our dragons (especially Lil Squirt) view us as the required shoulder to sit on - preferably 24/7 - They would prefer to sleep with us all night.DaisyDragon123":2gfem9pc said:Dragons it's hard to say. They should view us as a threat and potential predator but most don't. Dragons probably view us as the dispensers of all things good.
that cat did survive. As fo rthe cats, growing up we had some that were "dont come near me" cats and some that were "why arent you petting me" cats. There was a black cat named spooky that would cry when we left the house because she saw me and my brother and sister as her "kittens" we all loved her but she was very attached to me and i was very attached to her....she went on a walk off when she was around 13 or 14 years old after battling a disease that made her pee blood off and on for a few years....I cried and felt really sad for several weeks after and to this day when someone says the word spooky i still feel sad. Cats are very resilient animals that have a will to survive. I was given 4 kittens to bottle feed, my mom got them from someone that couldn't care for them because a dog killed their mom. They were so covered in fleas that two were on the brink of death and the runt was so scrawny that it looked like a grim outcome for all but one. I woke up 3 times a night to feed them and my mom helped during the day when she could. i made sure to reverse feed them (the runt first then the sickest and then the weaker of the two that looked like fighters) happily i had 4 little piggies within a week and my mom told anyone who stood still to listen about the miracle kittens that i saved....umm i only fed them they did the rest! funniest thing is the runt turned out to be bigger than the rest in the end!AHBD":2jta4exw said:I think some beardies view us as warm, moveable furniture as well as food dispensary. For bold adventurous dragons, they see us also as the gate to possible adventure [ getting to go outside the tank, out in the sun, etc. ]
Having owned cats since I was a child, I see a prejudice + sterotype on here. My cats were warm + affectionate, greeted me at the door and snuggled with me all the more intiuitively when I was sick. Some of my best 4 legged buds were my cats. And as far as courage + loyalty to their babies, check this story:
On March 30, 1996, Scarlett and her five kittens were in an abandoned garage allegedly used as a crack house in Brooklyn when a fire started from undetermined causes. The New York City Fire Department responded to a call about the fire and quickly extinguished it. When the fire was under control, one of the firefighters on the scene, David Giannelli, noticed Scarlett carrying her kittens away from the garage one by one. Scarlett herself had been severely burned in the process of pulling her kittens from the fire. Her eyes were blistered shut, her ears and paws burned, and her coat highly singed. The majority of her facial hair had been burnt away. After saving the kittens she was seen to touch each of her kittens with her nose to ensure they were all there and alive, as the blisters on her eyes kept her from being able to see them, and then she collapsed unconscious.
Story from Wikipedia, but it made world news + many articles written about it complete with pics of Scarlett..
Apologize fro getting off topic, but had to come to bat for the felines.
Actually animals do have emotions, and see humans as part of their group or pack. Even beardies and other reptiles will either see you as the dominant or the submissive. The way animals think and feel is more complex than most people give them credit for no matter what side of the fence they are on. They dont see us as gods, or masters per-say but they do see us as alpha, dominate, mom, dad (falls in the alpha category because in dogs and cats social structure the mother and father are usually the alphas or dominates) with reptiles, it has been proven that many are social and make friends, enemies, and neutrals.Taterbug":2lzhy9kc said:I think attributing human feelings/intent/interpretation to animals is doing them a disservice and usually just stroking the human ego. It seems a big leap to me to say any animal sees us as gods just because that's sort of a complex idea. (Evidence of Theory of mind Is so far very limited in animals).
Cats and dogs are social animals basically designed to be a part of human life - their are rules to all social groups (even for wild animals) and on top of that they have personalities. My cat is super affectionate, he does what he can to tell me what he wants/needs (like food, to clean the car box), he reacts to my emotions and behaviors, but knows I could ruin his day. At the same time he thinks the vaccume could too. I don't presume to make a judgment about what he thinks about these things though. Is the vaccume a god? A monster? A horrible noise that hurts his ears sometimes and he never knows when or why that will happen?
Reptile brains are functionally quite different - they lack some of the structures associated with complex emotions in mammals. That doesn't mean they are stupid but I'd bet "thought" for a lizard is quite different that what we consider thought. I'm sure my reptiles all view me as a potential threat, simply because I am bigger, unpredictable and do things to them that can be considered predatory.
Still, they are smart in their right - they can learn, solve puzzles, adapt to situations like captivity and have communication of their own. My reptiles recognize me and do not frequently engage in defensive behavior; does that mean they like me or that they know I am more associated with good things than bad ones? food only appears when I am there, poop only disappears when I am there, they only come out when I take them out, sometimes bizzar things happen like baths or going outside. Personally I am not sure they like me any more than they know I'm a resource.
It's not as romantic as making them seem more human but part of what fascinates me about animals is how alien they really are. My pets are these little creatures that live in my house, whose needs intend to daily,who I do my best to respect for who and what they are.
Beardymama33":2uui0dlk said:Actually animals do have emotions, and see humans as part of their group or pack. Even beardies and other reptiles will either see you as the dominant or the submissive. The way animals think and feel is more complex than most people give them credit for no matter what side of the fence they are on. They dont see us as gods, or masters per-say but they do see us as alpha, dominate, mom, dad (falls in the alpha category because in dogs and cats social structure the mother and father are usually the alphas or dominates) with reptiles, it has been proven that many are social and make friends, enemies, and neutrals.Taterbug":2uui0dlk said:I think attributing human feelings/intent/interpretation to animals is doing them a disservice and usually just stroking the human ego. It seems a big leap to me to say any animal sees us as gods just because that's sort of a complex idea. (Evidence of Theory of mind Is so far very limited in animals).
Cats and dogs are social animals basically designed to be a part of human life - their are rules to all social groups (even for wild animals) and on top of that they have personalities. My cat is super affectionate, he does what he can to tell me what he wants/needs (like food, to clean the car box), he reacts to my emotions and behaviors, but knows I could ruin his day. At the same time he thinks the vaccume could too. I don't presume to make a judgment about what he thinks about these things though. Is the vaccume a god? A monster? A horrible noise that hurts his ears sometimes and he never knows when or why that will happen?
Reptile brains are functionally quite different - they lack some of the structures associated with complex emotions in mammals. That doesn't mean they are stupid but I'd bet "thought" for a lizard is quite different that what we consider thought. I'm sure my reptiles all view me as a potential threat, simply because I am bigger, unpredictable and do things to them that can be considered predatory.
Still, they are smart in their right - they can learn, solve puzzles, adapt to situations like captivity and have communication of their own. My reptiles recognize me and do not frequently engage in defensive behavior; does that mean they like me or that they know I am more associated with good things than bad ones? food only appears when I am there, poop only disappears when I am there, they only come out when I take them out, sometimes bizzar things happen like baths or going outside. Personally I am not sure they like me any more than they know I'm a resource.
It's not as romantic as making them seem more human but part of what fascinates me about animals is how alien they really are. My pets are these little creatures that live in my house, whose needs intend to daily,who I do my best to respect for who and what they are.
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